Former FBI Special Agent John Vincent: I was part of a conference telephone call between Chicago and Dallas. In attendance at this conference call were three U.S. attorneys, two agents, myself and agent Robert Wright. Also party to this conversation, of course, was Gamal Abdel Hafiz and his supervisor in Dallas. During the conference call, U.S. Attorney Mark Flessner asked Agent Gamal if he would use a wire to record a conversation [with a Muslim terror suspect] that potentially was going to take place. Gamal refused. Flessner pushed further, and finally Gamal said, “a Muslim does not record another Muslim.”

O’Reilly: All right. So when Hafiz says on the phone, and six guys heard it, a Muslim doesn't tape another Muslim, what was the reaction? What was the conversation then after that?

Vincent: Well, there wasn't any conversation for a while. Everybody was stunned. Bob Wright and I looked at each other. We kind of knew what was coming.

O’Reilly: Did the case just die then or did you guys take it upstairs? Did the Dallas bureau chief for the FBI do anything?

Vincent: Bob Wright immediately called headquarters and complained about it then. Later on, I went to our office security manager, and I asked that person to call headquarters to file a dereliction of duty complaint against another agent. That security officer did, on at least two separate occasions, call FBI headquarters and never received a response.

O’Reilly: Was it an undercover wire?

Vincent: No, it wasn't. When this whole program came out, the bureau came back and stated that we wanted him to record this conversation in a mosque. That never happened. Then after they decided that that wouldn't work, then they said that they didn't want him to record the conversation because he was represented by an attorney, but that doesn't apply either.

O’Reilly: Now, Mr. Schippers, the FBI has recalled Agent Hafiz from Saudi Arabia, where he was sent after this incident, and he is now, I understand, under investigation by the Justice Department's internal affairs division. What is going on here? Do you know?

FBI Agent Attorney & JW National Advisor David Schippers: I'll tell you, I will never be able to figure this one out, Bill. I cannot understand why the FBI is putting their integrity in question over a totally indefensible action by one of their agents. Furthermore, Bob Wright has now been totally gagged by the FBI. They go out and they call him a liar. They make statements about him. They tell people that he doesn't know what he's talking about. And then when he tries to defend himself, they say, sorry, pal, you can't talk.

Bill O’Reilly: Well they're definitely trying to get Wright. I mean he was, as you know, an hour away from appearing with us and they gagged him. And said if you do, we will charge you with insubordination. Do you have any clue what is going on?

Schippers: It’s what I call the Clinton mode. Something is being hidden here, and there's a reason that they're hiding it. And I will go to my grave trying to understand it. Aren't they interested in finding the truth?

O’Reilly: Listen, we know the truth. The truth is, I believe your two agents here. The guy wouldn't tape other Muslims. That's the truth. And he wasn't disciplined.

Schippers: I wonder why.

O’Reilly: I don't know that. But he should have been disciplined and he wasn't. And now Mueller is trying to keep us from finding out what the big picture is. But we're going to find it. Believe me, we will find it.