Dick Morris: Just wonderful. Thank you. I really love this show and my book is quintessentially Judicial Watch.

Fitton: I am sure your book is competing nicely with Hillary's new book.

Morris: I'm number two right behind her, right now on Amazon... Let me tell you one thing that is in this book that I think is right up your alley. The Democratic and Republic parties both conspired in the 2000 reapportionment to deny us the right to vote for the House of Representatives. You talk about term limits. They made a mutual deal between the two parties to protect one another's incumbence.

Fitton: This is gerrymandering?

Morris: Exactly. But gerrymandering, usually, is to screw the other party. In this case, it was to screw the public. They said if you put all the Democrats in my district we'll let you put all the Republicans in your district, and we'll get the swing districts we fight over down to about 20 out of 435 in the country. By creating lifetime incumbency, you split the Democrats and the Republicans. In 1980, after the reapportionment, 43 incumbents lost. The total number of Congressmen who were defeated by challengers from the other party in 2002, out of 435, was 4... so we really don¹t have an elected House of Representatives.

Fitton: Speaking of shady deals behind closed doors, what do you know about California Governor Gray Davis and the recall effort?

Morris: One of the chapters in my book is very specific about Gray Davis. It points out that in an effort to avoid cutting his outrageous state spending, he has taken the money that the tobacco industry was forced to pay to California to run anti-smoking ads and used it to paper over his budget deficit. But, not only has he done it for this year, he has obligated all of the anti-tobacco money for the next 20 years to pay for the borrowing that he is doing now to try to paper over the deficit.

Fitton: I do not want to toot your horn too much, Dick, for fear of embarrassing you, but you could take credit for the tobacco issue. The anti-tobacco movement is due by and large to the political advice you gave to Bill Clinton. You suggested to Mr. Clinton that he seize upon the tobacco issue, which resulted in a lot of federal action in that area. It must be very upsetting to you to see the corruption associated with trying to advance the public health which, of course, was the stated reason for implementing the tax.

Morris: Right. In the book, I list all the states that are seizing the anti-tobacco money and I list the number of deaths that those governors are responsible for because of it. In the state of California, effective anti-smoking ads have been running for 12 years and the lung cancer death rate is down by 14 percent as compared to the national average of 2.8 percent. When Gray Davis killed that program, he literally condemned thousands of Californians to die so that he can avoid cutting his state spending.

Fitton: Well, Gray Davis does not have too many friends and admirers, at least among those who listen to the Judicial Watch Report. The mainstream press, however, that's a different story.

Morris: This is a key point I make in my book. I go through literally articles, month by month, that reveal the bias of the New York Times, for example, and I culminate with a story that will absolutely curl your hair. If you ever want proof of the liberal bias of the American media, listen to this. In 1996, when I was working for Clinton, I got a call from the managing editor of the New York Times. Now to set the stage, the New York Times had been leading the charge on Whitewater and Rose Law Firm and the building records and Madison Guaranty and all of those Arkansas scandals. Clinton was very upset with him. The managing editor told me that the New York Times wanted an exclusive interview with Clinton. And I said, "Clinton¹s pretty mad at you guys." And he said, "Well, we don't think people are interested in reading more about what went on in Arkansas years ago." It is a good thing I had my seat belt on, because I was thinking to myself, "Did the managing editor of the New York Times just tell me that in the months before the election, he wouldn't cover Whitewater or Paula Jones or the billing records or Webb Hubble or any of that stuff?" He sure did. Clinton was positively giddy. The reporter actually gave me the questions he was going to ask, which is about as common as the Chicago Bears telling the New York Giants what passes they are going to throw.

Fitton: Any tough ones?

Morris: No, no tough ones. Certainly no tough ones when you give them in advance. But then I suggested pushing my luck, giving him three questions that he proceeded to write down. The interview was a softball. We hit every one out of the park because we knew what was coming. They did not ask about Whitewater. And it is a matter of record that in the period between Labor Day and Election Day, 1996, the words "Rose Law Firm," "Webb Hubbell," "Paula Jones" and "billing records," never appeared on the front page of the New York Times.

Fitton: You used the word "Traitors," in the subtitle. What are you referencing?

Morris: Peter Arnett ­ the reporter who was hired by NBC. He literally went into Baghdad, and on the air, in the middle of the war, with guns firing, said, "If you continue your resistance, the people of the United States will realize how evil this war is and turn against the Bush War policy." Now that is outright
treason.

Fitton: In your book you write, "In hindsight, Clinton left us naked and unprepared for the perils of terrorism." We heard right after the attacks of September 11th that the Sudanese president offered Osama bin Laden to the United States three times and the Clinton Administration refused to take the offer. Can you say why?

Morris: Yes. In the book I identify four things that Bill Clinton could have done and did not do to prevent September 11 from happening and that is the first one. Clinton did not mobilize an investigation of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. He treated it like a bank robbery or criminal justice homicide. As a result of that approach, it was not until 1996 that we realized bin Laden was behind it. When the Sudanese offered us bin Laden, who then was living in Sudan and about to flee to Afghanistan, and said we'll arrest him and deport him to you, we said, "bin who?" We basically had no idea who the guy was.

Another point I make in the book, is that in March of 1996, when I was working for Clinton, I sent him a memo urging that driver's licenses should expire when visas do for immigrants, and that the FBI should interface with the INS and motor vehicle computers. That way, when they busted somebody for a broken tailpipe or taillight or speeding and found that he did not have a license, they could check the computer and find out whether he was wanted on a terror-watch list. Three of the September 11 hijackers were picked up for speeding and did not have driver's licenses, and they still remained in the United States.

Then the third action Clinton could have taken involved TWA Flight 800. I have no idea what caused that jet to go down, but I do know that after it went down, I recommended that Clinton adopt the three steps that Bush adopted right after September 11: Federalize the security workers, X-ray the baggage, and issue photo ids for flyers. Clinton was going to do that, but then the airline industry, led by American Airlines, got a hold of him and lobbied against it and said it would cost them money and congest the airports and freak people out about flying. Clinton chickened out and did not impose those regulations. So even if Bush knew September 11 was happening, he lacked the security infrastructure at the airports to prevent it.

The most important thing, however, was that after Oklahoma City the FBI went to Clinton and said, "Please loosen the rules for the Governor." The idea was, instead of only being able to investigate people who are suspected of imminent acts of terror, give us the capacity to investigate people who are members of terrorist groups. Clinton and Reno refused. Then in August 9th of 2001, one month before the terrorist attacks, we arrested Moussai, the 20th hijacker, in Minneapolis. We couldn't examine his laptop computer, which contained the September 11 plans, because of the rules that Clinton had left in place.

Fitton: So this was due to mere regulations?

Morris: Clinton could have taken care of it with a stroke of a pen.

Fitton: That is true. Hey, Dick, thanks for joining us.

Morris: It was wonderful. Off with their heads!