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       1             UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE

                         EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA

       2

 

       3    NOTRA TRULOCK, III,           )

                                          )

       4                   Plaintiff,     )

                                          )

       5    v.                            )    Case No. 00-1527-A

                                          )

       6    WEN HO LEE,                   )

                                          )

       7                   Defendant.     )

            ______________________________)

       8                                  )

            NOTRA TRULOCK, III,           )

       9                                  )

                           Plaintiff,     )

      10                                  )

                                          )

      11    v.                            )    Case No. 00-1627-A

                                          )

      12    CHARLES E. WASHINGTON, et al.,)

                                          )

      13                   Defendants.    )

 

      14                           VOLUME II

                      VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF SYLVIA LEE

      15                          Suite 1500E

                            300 Central, Southwest

      16                    Albuquerque, New Mexico

                               October 12, 2001

      17                           1:47 p.m.             

 

      18              PURSUANT TO THE FEDERAL RULES OF CIVIL

            PROCEDURE, this deposition was:

      19

            TAKEN BY:      LARRY KLAYMAN

      20                   ATTORNEY FOR PLAINTIFF

 

      21

            REPORTED BY:   Kendra D. Tellez, NM CCR #205

      22                   P D & O Reporting, Inc.

                           Suite 1500E

      23                   300 Central, Southwest

                           Albuquerque, New Mexico  87102

      24

 

      25

 

 

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       1                      A P P E A R A N C E S

 

       2    For the Plaintiff:

 

       3         JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.

                 Attorneys at Law

       4         Suite 725

                 501 School Street, Southwest

       5         Washington, D.C. 20024

                 By:  Larry Klayman         

       6              Thomas J. Fitton

                      John L. Martin

       7

 

       8    For the Defendant Lee:

 

       9         O'NEILL, LYSAGHT & SUN, LLP

                 Attorneys at Law

      10         Suite 700

                 100 Wilshire Boulevard

      11         Santa Monica, California 90401

                 By:  Mr. Brian A. Sun

      12

            For the Defendant Vrooman:

      13

                 LAW OFFICE OF GARY HOWARD SIMPSON

      14         Attorneys at law

                 9505 Kingsley Avenue,

      15         Bethesda, Maryland 20814

                 By:  Ms. Alane Tempchine

      16

            Also Present:  Will Moir (Videographer)

      17

                           Mr. Anthony J. Coppolino

      18                   (United States Attorney)

 

      19                   Robert S. Sinton

                           Ms. Natalia Leons

      20                   Mike Lowe

                           (Federal Bureau of Investigation)

      21

                           James E. Green

      22                   (DOE officer)

 

      23

 

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       1                             INDEX

 

       2    SYLVIA LEE

                 Cont'd by Mr. Klayman                          95

       3

            SIGNATURE/CORRECTION PAGE                          230

       4

            CERTIFICATE PAGE                                   231

       5

                                   EXHIBITS

       6    2.   December 13, 1989 Memorandum from Vrooman to

                 Distribution                                  102

       7

            3.   August 13, 2001, cover letter with Chapters 6

       8         and 7 of Review Team                          130

 

       9    4.   January 4, 2000, cover letter with unclassified

                 version of March 7, 1999, interview           152

      10

            5.   Subpoena                                      175

      11

            6.   July 28, 2000, letter to Chang from Holscher  202

      12

            7.   March 21, 2000, letter to Chang from Sun      211

      13

            8.   December 10, 1999, Press Release              214

      14

            9.   Los Alamos Monitor Vrooman article            219

      15

            10.  September 19, 1999, "For Immediate Release"   220

      16

            11.  Declaration of Robert Vrooman                 221

      17

            12.  "Wen Ho Lee Information Packet"               226

      18

            13.  "Memorandum in support of Motion for Discovery

      19         of Materials related to Selective Prosecution

 

      20                      CERTIFIED QUESTIONS

 

      21         Certified Question                     116  17

                 Certified Question                     120  11

      22         Certified Question                     152  21

                 Certified Question                     177   2

      23         Certified area                         177  19

                 Certified Question                     183  22

      24

 

      25

 

 

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       1              MR. VIDEOGRAPHER:  Thank you.  We're back on

 

       2    the record, beginning with videotape 2.  The time is

 

       3    1:47.

 

       4              MR. KLAYMAN:  Okay.  There's some things that

 

       5    Mr. Sun said that would help clarify things that we

 

       6    could put on the record.

 

       7              MR. SUN:  Well, I don't know about what we'll

 

       8    put on the record, but if you were going to -- I think

 

       9    wherever you left off, you were somewhere among

 

      10    questioning about contacts with Mr. Vrooman, and as you

 

      11    pursue that, I think you can clarify things if you

 

      12    choose to pursue that further.

 

      13              MR. KLAYMAN:  Okay.  Before we went off the

 

      14    record, we were talking about the potential to take

 

      15    your deposition, the mainstay of your deposition.  We

 

      16    may be able to start it for a period before you leave, 

 

      17    but I want to finish Ms. Lee first -- Mrs. Lee.  And

 

      18    you are under the time constraint that you have to

 

      19    leave by noon tomorrow, and I posed some dates during

 

      20    the first week of December.

 

      21              MR. SUN:  November, I think.

 

      22              MR. KLAYMAN:  November, excuse me, in Los

 

      23    Angeles.  And I just want to get your agreement that we

 

      24    can resume your deposition then or start it then.

 

      25              MR. SUN:  Well, I can do this:  Right now, it

 

 

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       1    looks like I can do it some time this weekend.  I just

 

       2    don't know when.  At the present time, that Saturday

 

       3    and Sunday is -- is -- I don't have any previous

 

       4    commitment that I'm aware of.  I'm going to -- I didn't

 

       5    get ahold of my secretary unfortunately, but I will try

 

       6    to endeavor to do that before the end of the day.

 

       7              Secondly, again  -- and as to which day that

 

       8    weekend, I'll have to determine that after checking

 

       9    with my family.

 

      10              MR. KLAYMAN:  Well, you can choose which day. 

 

      11    I can be flexible on that.

 

      12              MR. SUN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      13              MR. KLAYMAN:  But let me just put the dates

 

      14    on the record.

 

      15              MR. SUN:  I think it's the 3rd and 4th,

 

      16    somewhere around then.

 

      17              MR. KLAYMAN:  That's correct, December 3rd or

 

      18    4th.

 

      19              MR. SUN:  November.

 

      20              MR. KLAYMAN:  November, I'm sorry.

 

      21              MR. SUN:  Fri- -- Saturday or Sunday.

 

      22              MR. KLAYMAN:  Saturday or Sunday.  So we'll

 

      23    count on that.  Okay.

 

      24              MR. SUN:  Yeah, at the present time I know of

 

      25    no conflict.  I have to check with my office further,

 

 

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       1    but I will keep you apprised.  But, yes, that's a

 

       2    weekend we can focus on.

 

       3              MR. KLAYMAN:  And if there is a conflict,

 

       4    you'll make yourself available at a reasonable time and

 

       5    place before the close of discovery?

 

       6              MR. SUN:  Yes.  I think what I indicated was

 

       7    I'm in trial in Las Vegas.  There's a possibility I

 

       8    might even suggest that we do the deposition in Las

 

       9    Vegas if for some reason my trial commitments require

 

      10    me to stay in Las Vegas that weekend, but I will work

 

      11    with you to try to give you an appropriate time frame. 

 

      12    Assuming there's some time left on my deposition that

 

      13    you're entitled to, then I'll try to work with you on

 

      14    it.

 

      15              MR. KLAYMAN:  All right.  Well, there will

 

      16    be, because we need to go through Ms. Lee, and we're

 

      17    making no -- excruciating slow process here.

 

      18              MR. SUN:  I agree with that.

 

      19              MR. KLAYMAN:  Progress, not process.

 

      20              MR. SUN:  Okay.  Why don't we proceed.

 

      21              MR. KLAYMAN:  We can blame the Government for

 

      22    that one.

 

      23              MR. COPPOLINO:  It wouldn't be the first time

 

      24    that you blamed us for something.

 

      25              MR. KLAYMAN:  No, we have to just blame you. 

 

 

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       1    We're in business to blame you.  Just a joke.

 

       2              MR. COPPOLINO:  I understand.

 

       3              MR. SUN:  There are a few things that Mr.

 

       4    Klayman and I can agree on from time to time.  Let's

 

       5    proceed.

 

       6         Q.   (By Mr. Klayman)  Ms. Lee, we were talking

 

       7    about your contacts with the People's Republic of

 

       8    China, and we were talking about your trip.  Was it in

 

       9    1986?  Correct?

 

      10         A.   Yes.

 

      11              MR. SUN:  Is there -- is there --

 

      12         Q.   All right.  Now, at that point, the

 

      13    Government's representatives wanted to take a break,

 

      14    because they wanted to, I think, consult on some other

 

      15    issues.  Were there other issues that you were

 

      16    consulting on?

 

      17              MR. COPPOLINO:  I don't -- I don't recall. 

 

      18    There was no other issue we consulted on than the issue

 

      19    we've already alerted you to the subject matter --

 

      20              MR. KLAYMAN:  Okay.

 

      21              MR. COPPOLINO:  -- that we described to you

 

      22    is my recollection.

 

      23              MR. SUN:  Right.

 

      24         Q.   Okay.  We were talking about meetings that

 

      25    you had with Robert Vrooman and Mr. Sullivan.  Do you

 

 

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       1    remember that?

 

       2         A.   (Witness nods head.)

 

       3         Q.   Harold Sullivan?

 

       4         A.   Yes.

 

       5         Q.   And I asked you to explain to me what went on