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Highlights: The main point contention regarding Tony Shaffer's story the level detail that gave 9-11 Commission members during October 2003 briefing Afghanistan Able Danger. Specifically, originally said cited the name Mohammed Atta, which the Commission denied, and then Shaffer later admitted based his recollection this someone else's admission the Commission (Capt. Scott Phillpott, according the WP). should noted Shaffer did not admit any broadcast clips that based his claims someone else's claims, rather, was relayed show hosts and others, including Richard Ben-V eniste the 9-11 Commission (on CNBC, Aug. 23). There appeared additional points contention, including whether Shaffer identified Able Danger Afghanistan-based operation against al-Qaeda, and whether had "complained, about the Permant House Select Committee Intelligence. Rep. Weldon (PA) seemed generate le.ss controversy the broadcast press, expressed his support for Shaffer and his allegations, but was questioned show hosts about when uncovered the Able Danger details (he said three months ago, other reports and Shaffer said immediately post 9-11). publicly said that did not know the Able Danger details, and was instead the time, expressing support and funding for the "massive data mining process," the chairman the Defense Research Committee the time. was also quoted criticizing wmamed high-level officials calling Shaffer liar. Possible Points Contention: Shaffer his whether disclosed terrorists name Oct. 2003 talk with Commission Members Fox News, August Sen. Slade Gordon, 9/11 Commission: "Shaffer originally said that told our staff Afghanistan about Mohammed Atta. didn't. There were four people there. None them heard it. Since then, has agreed that did not this. Now says that first learned about from someone else." Fox's Hannity and Colmes, Aug. Colmes: Lieutenant Colonel, explain me, how they deny it? They also -staff members, like executive director Phil Zelikow, say, despite your statements, they were not told the names these hijackers, you claim? Shaffer: The 9-11 Commission was told not once but twice fellow officer, Navy captain, later 2004 ... October discussion with him, did not discuss the names the terrorists. not saying that. never said that. did talk about the fact that found three cells through the use some advanced technology. two three cells which conducted 9/11 attacks, include Atta. Now, that was the only name remembered. You have understand, was Afghanistan deployed. didn't have documents with me. didn't have the background. during this discussionit was using some notes that put together myself, based memory talking points, and discussed the fact that Able Danger was able use data mining techniques, that were the time cutting-edge, merge out this information data. over whether Shaff said Able was Fox,Aug.17 Shaffer said the Commission misrepresented his comments August 12th report... The Commission alleged Shaffer talked about Able Danger and the HPSE (ph) and being Afghanistan-based operation against Qaeda, which says did not. said told the Commission that, "al Qaeda globally was the target Able Danger" and that and others had "discovered two the three cells which conducted the attacks, include Atta." CNN, American Morning, Aug. Shaffer: never mentioned anything about that human-asset network being turned off the HPSI (ph). That's one their statements that they claim made. never said that." And the other thing they say that said was talked about Able Danger being project Afghanistan. never said that. NPR,August Shaffer: rve read their August response comments, and they say thing-they attribute things which never said, like something about talking about-complaining about Congress and the Permanent House Select Committee Intelligence. never said anything about the Permanent House Select Committee Intelligence, not even notes CNBC, Aug. Shaffer: rve given the media full copy talking points. Those are the things useto tweak memory discussing this, and spent about hour and quarter walking through the story with Dr. Zelikow.. the end the meeting Dr. Zelikow was concerned that says please re-contact upon your return the United States can continue dialogue. call back and say remember me? Yeah. don't need talk you. Shaffer the DoD's CBSAug.17 Shaffer: support Congressman Walden for investigations. know DOD right now, from discussions with them yesterday--! spent the morning with the DOD leadership going through this. know they're trying get the bottom this. CNN, Aug OSD Public Affairs Research and Analvsis Shaffer: "Dr. Cambone was very supportive, have met with him, met two days ago. cooperated with DOD, trying get the bottom this yesterday. They are committed getting the bottom this, and have believe what they told they're sincere wanting get this fixed. not consider DOD adversary. consider some folks within DOD who may not get the message trying stir trouble up." The DoD didn't the relevant data MSNBC, Aug (Shaffer's lawyer Mark Zaid:) Chris, the problem is, the Defense Department didn't give them the data that was necessary. And now know that the Anny destroyed large amount that data 2001. And that's another question that needs asked. Why? Weldon Didn't Know Details Able until Fox,Aug.19 WELDON: was never aware all the details Able Danger until three months ago. That wasn't focus and never said was. focus was the process data mining. Able Danger was one the projects that was being done using the Army's Information Dominant Center ... CNN, Aug O'BRIEN: interview with "The New York Times" that's running today, you say that you knew' this information pretty much right after 9/1 Why only coming out now? WELDON: Well, didn't know the information Able Danger. What was supporting the chairman the Defense Research Committee was the funding for the process, this massive data mining process. fact, had been pushing the CIA take this and use higher level, and they refused. MSNBC, Aug. Shaffer: Now, after 9/1 colleague, who created the technology, gave Congressman Weldon copy that chart that had the Qaeda information it. Congressman Weldon took that and gave Stephen Hadley. colleague was with the congressmanwhen happened. That's the other point. Weldon Shaffer's Claims Fox,Aug2S Weldon: Well, talked the Pentagon spokesman yesterday and--and told him that was totally inappropriate. And agreed with much what said. They fact have four boxes materials that aware that Steve Cambone fact going through. have charts that have been provided about Able Danger. So, pretty swprising that they say they can't find anything. The fact is, John, this story going get deeper. It's going get dirtier. But are going get the bottom it. spent million and over staffers the 9/1 Commission. two weeks, have uncovered more about Able Danger and Qaeda than they did two years. There something wrong with that. When 9/1 commissioner like Slade Gorton goes public, ashe did couple OSD Public Affairs Research and Analysis nights ago, and spends his. time calling decorated Bronze Star recipient liar national TV, there something wrong here. CNNAug.12 Weldon: But the important message here, beyond the facts that have get the bottom of, that need massive data mining capability open source information against these emerging transnational terrorist threats Fox's Hannity Colmes, Aug Weldon: The 9/11 commission has double spoke. The commission has double spoke. Every day last week they changed their story. The faets are the facts. CBS,Aug.9 three other men who became hijackers. When the agents recommended telling the FBI, Weldon says Clinton administration lawyers said because Atta was the country legally and could not targeted military intelligence. Rep. WELDON: And their recommendation-to bring the FBI take that cell out, which was ignored, and they were told, 'You can't that.' ANDREWS: year before 9/11, they had their picture--they had the picture Mohamed Atta ... Rep. WELDON: Yes. ANDREWS: ... and they knew roughly where was? Rep. WELDON: Yes. Fox, Aug. Weldon: Able Danger was product under the Clinton administration. Don Rumsfeld was not secretary defense '99 and 2000. So, wouldn't have been involved. This program existed under the Clinton administration and ended right before the Bush administration took office. The capabilities provided should provided through the NCTC. are getting better this, but are not there yet. And that continues focus mine push come back session September this year. CNN, Aug Weldon: fact, the military intelligence officers who worked this process, which was cutting-edge technology using massive data mining, actually identified the Mohammed Atta cell late 1999. September of2000, they became convinced that this cell needed have follow-up, and they wanted bring the FBI in. three separate occasions September of2000, they asked their superior lawyers they, fact, could bring the FBI for consultation, the FBI domestically could monitor this cell and eventually, OSD Public Affairs Research and Analysis necessary, take out. Three separate times they were turned down (either with DOD within.the White House. don't know ... O'BRIEN: OK. the word never got from the Pentagon the FBI. WEIDON: That's right. O'BRIEN: interview with "The New York Times" that's running today, you say that you knew this information pretty much right after 9/11. Why only coming out now? WELDON: Well, didn't know the information Able Danger. What was supporting the chairman the Defense Research Committee was the funding for the process, this massive data mining process. fact, had been pushing the CIA take this and use higher level, and they refused. Two weeks after 9/11, was given chart that Able Danger had produced, and took that down the White Ho.use and gave Stephen Hadley. But didn't know the details what they were doing until two months ago. Fox,Augll Host John Gibson: Congressman Curt Weldon brought this story light, actually, June, and has received new round publicity recently. telling FOX News that told the commission, the 9/11 Commission, twice, the first October of2003 and the second time July 2004, that military intelligence unit called Able Danger had identified Mohamed Atta and other hijackers year before the attacks. Weldon tells FOX his contacts are willing the mat prove it. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REP. CURT WEIDON (R), PENNSYLVANIA: These military intelligence officials have, without any hesitation, told they will testify under oath the content their meetings, what they said, the mentioning ties Qaeda and Mohamed Atta. CNN,Augll Republican Congressman Curt Weldon says Clinton administration lawyers told the unit not give the information the FBI because the pre-Patriot Act world, intelligence officials could not, legally, share their suspicions with law enforcement: REP. CURT WEIDON (R), PENNSYLVANIA: Lawyers within the administration told the special forces folks three times, ''You cannot share this information with the FBI." They even put stickies over top the faces Mohammed Atta, saying they're here legally. CNN,Aug.12 (Regarding why Atta and others weren't investigated:) REP. CURT WELDON (R), PENNSYLVANIA: There were two reasons given the military intelligence officials who talking and working with. The first was they were told that, because Mohammad Atta and the others were here either with green cards visas, that they could not, fact, look them. fact, the lawyers went far put these yellow stickies over the faces Mohammad Atta September 2000. The second reason was that the lawyers the administration the time were concerned about the political fallout that bad occurred after Special Forces command had been involved with the FBI the Branch Davidian situation Waco... But the important message here, beyond the facts that have get the bottom of, that need massive data mining capability open source information against these emerging transnational terrorist threats. But there still not the capability this massive data mining that was what Able Danger was all about. have new initiative that's been brought the same intelligence officials establish something called Able Providence. And that would give cutting edge technology capability that think would put the leadillg edge understanding terrorists, these cells, where they're operating and, most importantly, where the threats are the security the American people. Fo:x:,Aug.17 Shaffer also told FOX that does not believe the Commission got all the documents from the Pentagon, part because the requests, which were made November 2003, were not directed the right departments. Congressman Curt Weldon, who has led the charge this story, says the commission passing the buck, they ultimately did not investigate aggressively enough. Fox,Aug.17 John Gibson: And what about talking the 9/11 Commission? You talked the staffers, you told them this. They are now saying, who, Colonel Shaffer, what information, what Mohamed Atta? They are acting like they never heard it. SHAFFER: Well, I've read their August detailed response, and I'm very concerned about how they misrepresent what said the first paragraph, saying talked about the HPSE (ph), which didn't, talked about Able Danger reference talking about being Afghanistan-based operation against Qaeda, which said nothing the kind. said Qaeda globally was the target Able Danger. those misrepresentations, don't know what make them, because they are not even the ballpark what said. What did say had list bullets, essentially talking points sheet that had made the day before. And talked off those points. kept pair --a set that, and when went through this, I'm giving you the same basic information gave them, which talking about how got the data, what the impact potentially was regarding the fact that discovered -and I'll use this phrase --two the three cells which conducted the attacks, include Atta. Now, don't know don't know what they heard exactly based what they are recollecting, but can tell you the third paragraph the August response talks about the fact that Mr. Zelikow, the executive director the staff, calls back immediately the United States asking for them start doing research it. I've got believe that something came out that meeting. Plus, one other thing. the end that meting, Mr. Zelikow gave his business card and said, ttWe need continue this conversation, this important. Please contact when you get back the United States," which did iti January '04. gave his office call, they recognized who was. They said, "We'll call you back when want you come in.ti week goes by. call them second time and they say, "We don't need you now. We've decided that we've got all the information need. Therefore, thank you very much." CNN, American Morning -Aug. SHAFFER: The commission's statement the 12th August wrong. never mentioned anything about that human-asset network being turned off the HPSI (ph). That's one their statements that they claim made. never said that. And the other thing they say that said was talked about Able Danger being project Afghanistan. never said that they got those two points wrong, don't know what else they got wrong. The only thing they got right basically was that there was information about this network that related the fact that they were interested it. And Mr. Zelikow's own admission, the next paragraph their August statement says, they called back immediately after talking me, which would mean they heard something that said which resonated Now back the information that DOD passed them. DOD passed two containers, approximately briefcased-sized containers over them the February/March timeframe '04. That not 1/20 the information which was available out there Able Danger and the project. Plus, they asked DIA for it. was not DIA project, and think they asked the wrong questions DOD some cases. And know for fact right now DOD trying get the bottom this. spoke with DOD leadership yesterday. They are working hard come the bottom. come tenns with what the facts are. CNN,Aug17 BLITZER: Were you concerned that Mohammed Atta and his friends were plotting terror attacks against the United States? SHAFFER: didn't know they were plotting attacks, but did know they had linkages the larger Qaeda command and control structure. That was what was concern. Plus believed that Madeleine Albright's declaration Qaeda global threat the United States gave impetus past the U.S. person issue even they had those protections. BUTZER: Now, you say you repeatedly asked for permission tell the FBI. Did you tell the FBI anything about this? SHAFFER: Let set the record straight that. associate who was the operations officer within Able Danger was trying get pennission from his command pull the information out, give the FBI. role what was doing was try broker the relationship. was doing similar set support for the FBI this very same time. tried bring the two together. Operation security key factor any successful operation. couldn't tell FBI about SOCOM's operations and vice versa ... BLITZER: One final question, because we're almost out time. Are you under investigation for some activities you did DOD? What's the story that? That was mentioned the "New York Times". SHAFFER: rve talked lawyer and he's talked organization, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he's not aware any investigation. sincerely believe this something that may part certain people within DOD. Now let say, Dr. Cambone was very supportive, have met with him, met two days ago. cooperated with DOD, trying get the bottom this yesterday. They are OSD Public Affairs Research and Analysis committed getting the bottom this, and have believe what they told they're sincere wanting get this fixed. not consider DOD adversary. consider some folks within DOD who may not get the message trying stir trouble up. CBS-Aug17 They said that Able Danger, your unit there, did not tum out historically significant. They also said that none the documents that they requested about Able Danger that were turned over the Defense Department referred Mr. Atta any the other hijackers. Lt. Col. SHAFFER: Right. STORM: mean, possible that the Defense Department did not turn over all the documentation? Lt. Col. SHAFFER: believe it's very possible. spoke the officer recently who actually physically took two briefcase-size packages documents over them. And can tell you for fact that was probably lf20th the actual hard copy documents and probably--none the actual data, the 2.5 terabytes data which was used the backdrop the project--so I-no, don't believe they ever got all the documents. But then again, don't think that they pressed properly get all the documents ... support Congressman Walden calling for investigations. know DOD right now, from discussions with them yesterday--! spent the morning with the DOD leadership going through this. know they're trying get the bottom this. And believe the administration wants find out what the answers are here and really get the bottom, and that's why I've come forward. believe DOD being very focused and very supportive getting the bottom this. CNN-Aug17 Shaffer: found the identities four the hijackers prior 9/11. And that infonnation was obtained through open source databases ... Now according --how remember saying it, found--as part the data run, found two the three cells which conducted attacks include Atta. MSNBC -Aug Now, after 9/11, colleague, who created the technology, gave Congressman Weldon copy that chart that had the Qaeda information it. Congressman Weldon took that and gave Stephen Hadley. colleague was with the congressman when happened. Fox's Hannity and Colmes -Aug Colmes: Lieutenant Colonel, explain me, how they deny it? They also --staff members, like executive director Phil Zelikow, say, despite your statements, they were not told the names these hijackers, you claim? LT. COL. ANTHONY SHAFFER, ABLE DANGER TEAM ME;MBER: Well, don't know how (the 9-11 commission) they can overlook that, because the fact this: They were told not once but twice fellow officer, Navy captain, later 2004 ... October discussion with him, did.not discuss the names the terrorists. not saying that. never said that. did talk about the fact that found three cells through the use some advanced technology, two three cells which conducted 9/11 attacks, include Atta. Now, that was the only name remembered. You have understand, was Afghanistan deployed. didn't have documents with me. didn't have the background. during this discussion, was using some notes that put together myself, based memory talking points, and discussed the fact that Able Danger was able use data mining techniques, that were the time cutting-edge, merge out this information data. Now, the special operations command, the operations officer that unit, Able Danger, brought attention that the lawyers had said, 0We can't anything with this stuff. need pass the FBI." was job then, part unit's responsibility support Able Danger, was broker that relationship. That's where things broke down. set ... HANNITY: And you were almost held insubordinate because you were jumping and down and saying this was big danger, and you had have two-star general tell you quiet, correct? SHAFFER: That correct, sir. was very adamant. went through and gave him logic why this was important, the fact Qaeda was major target, and should engaged this. And was directed several times the point where had remind that was general and was not, else would essentially fired. Fox's Hannity and Colmes, Aug htterview With Curt Weldon Weldon: The commission has double spoke. The commission has double spoke. Every day last week they changed their story. The facts are the facts. October '03, you had Tony Shaffer on, 23-year dedicated intelligence colonel the Army. October '03, reached out, told his superior officer had information about 9/11. met with the committee staff Bagram. They were very excited about what was saying. said, control the documents. I'll meet with you when get back the States. Twice called the January. called the staff director. And both times the staff director said don't want talk you. don't need you. MSNBC, Aug SHAFFER: think Richard Ben-V eniste said the best the other day during interview CNBC the Donny Deutsch show. MATTHEWS: Yes. SHAFFER: When Donny Deutsch asked him, why you never checked out, the commissioners, Colonel Shaffer's story? His answer was very telling. said, had technology ability actually check what the colonel was telling us. had --"The technology longer exists" --unquote. So, that was the key. The technology used get this information does not exist the time they were doing the report, the Commission researc nor does exist now. So, that the key. They couldn't verify what were saying. (Shaffer lawyer) ZAID: Chris, the problem is, the Defense Department didn't give them the data th.at was necessary. And now know th.at the Anny destroyed large amount that data 2001. And that's another question th.at needs asked. Why? CNBC. -The Big Idea With Donny Deutsch 8/23/2005 10:13:34 Donny: Take the Atta piece. Shaffer: you see right here. Found cells, and initial info runs. That was memory tweaked say --and what recollection what told th.em during the initial run data Able Danger found two the three cells which conducted the 9/11 attacks include Atta. That's recollection exactly how phrased it. There was silence the room when said th.at. That was the key. Found cells initial information runs. Donny: Why weren't their names? Shaffer: didn't put Atta down, because thought the emphasis was two the three cells, which conducted the 9/11 attacks. Atta was thrown afterwards. th.ought th.at was made pretty clear during this conversation with them th.at included th.at. don't know what they heard, but would like have them reveal their notes this and t8.lk about what they heard. Donny: Earlier today spoke one the 9/11 commission members. Richard Ben-V eniste. The issue why was not the report? Ben-Veniste: Well, wasn't correct, and wasn't any credible evidence suggest that even one week before wrote our final report that such assertion was made with any basis credibility. There were documents. The individual who came week before our final report was done was operating the basis hearsay. said th.ought saw picture Atta Donny: also asked Mr. Ben-Veniste about the Dr. Zelikow issue. don't know it's smoking gun. But there's interesting question why calls you back, and here's what says. Ben-Veniste: Colonel Schaffer had the conversation with Dr. Zelikow, and three others mentioned the Able Danger program. first said mentioned Atta's naine. Then was unsure about it. can tell you and take the bank, th.at Atta's name were mentioned during the staff trip Afghanistan; they would have been like white rice. There way th.at anybody forgot th.at Atta's name was mentioned if, was, fact, mentioned. But th.at point, have tell you extremely skeptical th.at Atta's name was mentioned. -Indianapolis 8/17/2005 6:07:19 Military lawyers apparently prevented special army intelligence unit from sharing infonnation about suspected 9-11 terrorists with the FBI. Anny intelligence officer says unit called "Able Danger" had identified Mohamed Atta and three other hijackers Al-Qaida members th.at was more than year before the attacks. But Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer says lawyers blocked infonnation sharing. The commission investigating the September attacks left the Able Danger claims out its official report. 8/10/2005 4:33:01 Newscaster: Disturbing new evidence th.at U.S. officials knew four the 9/11 hijackers including Mohamed Atta had links Qaeda and were operating the U.S. months before the attacks. But the government failed act and now Congress wants answers. OSD Public Affairs Research and Analysis Wyatt Andrews reports. Reporter: According Congressman Curt Weldon, was secret intelligence unit code named Able Danger that knew year before 9/11 that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta was the United States and connected Qaeda. Weldon: you can see, they identified Mohamed Atta's cell Newscaster: the summer 2000 says, the Pentagon's special ops command had identified two terrorist cells inside the U.S. and knew the connection between Atta and three other men who became hijackers. When the agents recommended telling the FBI, Weldon says, Clinton administration lawyers said because Atta was the cowtry legally and could not targeted military intelligence. Weldon: And their recommendation bring the FBI take that cell out was ignored. They were told, you can't that. Reporter: year before 9/11, they had the picture Mohamed Aita and they knew roughly where was? Weldon: yes. Newscaster: Weldon who aranking member both the armed services and homeland security committees says got this story from three agents the able danger unit, one whom confirmed this CBS news, but there are major questions. the Pentagon ever knew advance about Mohamed Atta, that was news Secretary Rumsfeld. Sec. Rumsfeld: have idea. I've never heard until this morning. Reporter: was also news the 9/11 commissions, which looked extensively Atta's history. Newscaster: One Pentagon agent says told the commission staff about Atta. The commission says the agent never mentioned Atta's name. 911 Commisson Rep: After all, that name was very familiar us. And his name had been mentioned, would have set off all kinds alarm bells. And would become focus our investigation. Newscaster: Despite this conflict over who knew about Atta and when, the critical question could this kind information shared today? And here most experts say yes, that under the 9/1lntelligence reforms, Pentagon agents are now allowed tip off the FBI suspected terrorists. -New York 8/9/2005 11:05:54 Reporter: Today, Secretary Defense Donald Rumsfeld said knew nothing about Able Danger but looking into it. Congressman Weldon wants full-scale investigation now into the secret unit Able Danger who knew what and when and terrorism experts say it's unlikely situation like that could happen again. They say under the current 9/11 intelligence reforms Pentagon agents are now allowed share more information with law enforcement including details suspected terrorists.