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is, no, but let ask the 
question. ensure that other staff entries the log when they were were being removed from the office? Did have resonsibility make 
present that the files-When they were present. --were being checked out? other.words, that the log was consistent, regular fashion. The responsibility for that, based it, would have been mine and 
Okay. 
MR. SRERE: She heard your question 
were out the oftice and the 
were Craig and .Anderson Now, 

clearly possible that when she was the people who were the log was filled out 
correctly. when the was checked out, she was there the person being done make sure filled MR. HIRSHLAND: 
So, you didn't understand yourself.to  additional  responsibility  make  sure  that  other  individuals  kept  the  log  think-  --suf fic ient ly'?  --stated  that  was  the  office  but,  otherwise,  occupied  made  sure  that  before  George  and  was  primarily  the  one  who  walked  out  with  the  investigations,  Bill  Kennedy,  that  someone  made  log  entry  and  that  that  background  went  that  specific  person  was  not  the  off ice  then  whoever  was  the  office  had  that  responsibility.  was  shared  
.12  responsibility  among  all  staff  members.  Did  you  ever  have  conversations  with  other  individuals  the  office  that  they  should  sure  
diligently  check  out  make  entries  the  whenever  Bis  were  removed  from  the  offie?  Yes.  Per  Craig  was  stated  the  staff  that  when  establ ished  this  log  that  every  background  
19  investigation  was  logged  out.  That  was  the  system  
that  came  with  July.  That  Mr.  Livingstone  made  clear  that-  Yes.  --every  time  was  checked  out  was  entered  into  the  log?  Yes.  
KU.Ell. Ml'OlfTll'IG CO., ll'!C.  
1l7 Sttc.:1, N.E.  

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llU.J.El llVOl'ITIHC. CO., IHC. 
l07 Street, N.E. 
Wa.shinrtcn, D.C. %0002 Did ever change that, those instructions? Not knowledge. Okay. 
MR. SRERE: You're asking during the time she was there? 
MR. HIRSHLAND: Correct. 
MR. SCHANZER: Could just through the page prior the one you are looking at? 
Could you indicate which--and I'm only interested the name column, but you will refer them date-which these are handwriting that are not you!s? 
THE WITNESS: That not mine? 
MR. SCHANZER: Okay. The first four, let's say, are those yours, that your handwriting? THE WITNESS: Yes. MR. SCHANZER: How about the next four that little bit darker might different pen, but want know that your handwriting, the ones 11./8-THE WITNESS: looks but I'm not 100 percent sure. The next four? 
MR. SCHANZER: Yes. Then how about the ones from there the bottom the page, are they those not your handwriting? 
THE WITNESS: That whole page looks handwriting. The one--yeah, that looks mine. 01313'7  MR.  SCHANZER:  Okay:  How  about  the  following  
 l.t.   page,  starting  with  the  entry  1/24/94,  and  down  and  indicate date which, your handwriting?  any,  these  entries  are  not ll-' :  THE  WITNESS:  The  ottom--  MR.  SRERE:  Start  the  top.  THE  WITNESS:  Okay.  All  but  the  bottom  two  look  
;;..  handwriting  The  ones  3/14  not  look  mine.  MR.  SCHANZER:  Okay.  How  about  the  next  page?  THE  WITNESS:  They  look  all  mine.  MR.  SCHANZER:  Okay.  MR.  HIRSHLAND:  Whenever  you ,re  ready.  Actually,  can  pick  right  the  page  where  left  off.  The  last  dated  entry  was  3/29/94.  Are  you.with  the  log?  Uh-huh.  appears  the  last  entry  that  page  would  have  beeri  made  3/29/94.  date  thereafter.  Well,  I'm  assuming  that  these  are  quotation  marks  indicate  3/29/94.  
24.  MR.  SCHA.NZER:  Why  don't  that  for  the  record.  What  did  that  mean?  
ltil.L.!R llEl'ORTIHC. i:a., llolC.  013138..- 
'07 Su. N.E  THE  WITNESS:  The  quotation  marks  meant  that--if  you  notice,  3/2  next  it,  says  who  the  file  went  to.  was  Beth  Nolan/Clarissa Cerda;  that  went  those  two  individuals.  And  then  there'  ,.quotation  marks  all  the  way  down  the  last  name  entered.  That  meant  that  all  them  went  that  specific--those  two  specific  individuals  that  date,  and  that  those  would  have  been  all  the  ones  that  date.  MR.  HIRSHLAND:  
10'  Were  you  ever  instructed  told  not  make  entries  the  log  stop  keeping  the  log?  
+J'  No.  Are  you  aware  anyone  else  the  off ice  ever  being  told  not  make  entries  stop  keeping  the  log? No. Okay. Based your description, appears that  the  last  entry  this  page  was  March  29,  1994.  Uh-huh  And  the  first  entry  next  page  the  copy  have  least  September  21,  1994.  Uh-huh.  that  your  handwriting  September  21st?  No.  had  aready  left  the  office  then.  you  recall  exactly  when  you  left  the  off ice?  Sometime  September  '94?  

Mii.LEi l'ITIMC. ca., IHC:. _._ 
Wuhi.nrtan, D.C. 20002  wou  say  think  was  sometime--!  don'  remember  the  exact te.  was  prior  September  211  1994?  Well/  the  last  month  that  worked  the  White  
House,  was  working  the  Public  Liaison  Office.  was  not  working  with  the  Whi  House  Security  Office.  Okay.  you  recall  when  you  left  the  White  House  Securi  Off ice?  would--a  month  before  final  day.  Before  September  21,  1994?  Yes,  before  then.  Okay.  Because  none  this  handwriting  mine.  
J..4  Well1  appears  least  from  the  copy  the  
log  that  have,  there  6-month  gap,  roughly1  between  
J..6  March  29, 1994,  and  Septeml;>er  21,  1994.  
J..7  you  recall  during  that  period  whether  any  files  
1.8  would  have  been  checked  out?  MR.  SRERE:  Any BI'S  would  have  been-  MR.  HIRSHLAND:  
21.  Any  would  have  been  checked  out  from  the  office?  recall  that  background  investigat ions  were  checked  out  and  that  did  log  them.  you  have  any  idea  why  there  areno  entrie  
MIU.a! llEl'0"1"1HQ CO., IHC. Sum. KE.  
:uhinrian. O.C.  2000:!:



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