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703-697-4162 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:07 To: Mehal, Robert CDR oso Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 
Bob: 
Good afternoon. Following the meeting with Vickers, take away that we'd try find some time sit down again before the summer holidays. dates when I'll next be. 
o.c. are: 20-21 June June July. 
Please let know any those fit Vickers schedule. 
Additionally, wantd let you know that anticipate mking formal request for IX>D support early July. are also talking WH. 
Thanks again for setting all this up.
Best, 
Mark Jun 2011, 8:02 AM, Mehal, Robert CDR OSD wrote: 
>Mark, Great!' can start breathing again ... was worried were going lose the spot. will waiting the Pentagon's Visitor's Center (Metro Entrance), please allow few minutes for security screening. will meet with Vickers 1215' and has hard 1300 stop. See you then. Resp, Bob Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations 1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 2D961) Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162 -----Original Message---- From: Mark Boal Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:56 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie Yes can there noon Sent from iPhone Jun 2011, 9:59 AM, "Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA''  wrote: Mark, Please let know you can here 1200; trying hold the spot.  Washington, {703) 697-4162  20301-1400  
  
  -----Original Message----From: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD  
 Mark, there any chance can move the meeting 1200 1215? today and his schedule really full. willing use his lunch Vickers back meet.  Please let  know soonest.  
  
  Resp,Bob  
  Commander Bob Mehal  Public Affairs Officer  Defense Press Operations 1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 20961) Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162  
  
  
  From:  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:57 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSO  Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie  
  
'>> Roger Sent via BlackBerry ATT   -----Original Message----From: "Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA"  Jun 16:  
Subject:  Movie  
  

 Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations 1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 20961) 
 Mark, Meet the visitors' center the Metro entance 1230 Thursday. have 
1245 with Vickers. Let know you have any questions. Bob Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device 
 
 -----Original Message ---- 

>>Cc: Cc: 
Weinstein, Douglas EMr OSD OUSDI DC. has agreed meet with you, but you just caught him time when has travel Cc: Lowery, Todd CIV OSD OUSDI Subject: Bin Laden Movie Sent: Jun 2011 10:06  
  
 Mark, Hello, are still going Vickers Public Affairs Officer. will town not could look doing something the  Thursday you next time you are scheduled. 
 Resp, Bob Original Message ---- From: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 04:57  To: Morrell, Geoff OSD Cc: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD 
Subject: Re: 
Bin laden movie They've already talked OD/CIA Morell. 
 Happy meet with them. Sent from wireless handheld 
 
>>-----Original Message From: Morrell, Geoff OSD Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:30 To: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI Cc: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD 
 Subject: Fw: Bin laden movie 
What you all think? These guys 
are the Oscar winning team behind the Hurt Locker. 
 Geoff Morrell Deputy Assistant Secretary Defense Pentagon Press Secretary >>703-614-2935 (0) >>571-309-4978 (C) 
 
 
 -----Or-iginal Message ----

 From: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:27 To: Morrell, Geoff OSO Subject: Bin laden movie Geoff,  Regarding our upcoming film about the hunt for OBL  which Kathryn Bigelow directing and writing and producing, our follow-up The Hurt Locker --am thinking that would wise for touch base with Under Secretary Mike Vickers .... Naturally, understand the sensitivities, and more than anything, simply hoping for opportunity briefly tell him about the project's scope .... 
 Please let know you would you for facilitating introduction. I'll 
O.C. for least few more days. 

  Thanks,  Mark Boal Sent via BlackBerry ATT  ------------------------ Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device 
 Sent via BlackBerry ATT 

Parker, Fatima 050 
From: Farnsworth, Sarah OSD Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:59 
To: Wilson, Douglas HON OSD PA; Whitman, Bryan SES OSD PA; Lapan, David COL OSD Cc: Martin, Jeremy COL 050 Subject: Bin Laden Movie Doug -this can wait but Vince/Phil forwarded your note regarding guidance from the they were just contacted Mark Boal were looking for some guidance how proceed. 
Appreciate the guidance -Sarah 
Original Message ----
From: Wilson, Douglas HON OSO 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 02:34 

To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA; Vickers, Michael HON 05D OU5DI 
Cc: Ferguson, Thomas CIV, OSD OUSDI; Morrell, Geoff 05D PA; Whitman, Bryan SES 05D PA; 

Thanks, Bob. set the second session with Vickers. getting additional guidance from 
Original Message ----
From: Mehal, Robert COR OSD Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:19 To: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI 
Cc: Ferguson, Thomas CIV, OSD OUSDI; Wilson, Douglas HON OSD PA; Morrell, Geoff 050 PA; 

Sir, From Mark Boal. Have you heard anything from leadership yet about how want proceed? believe this still the research phase, but need clear the approach are taking before schedule.  
Vr/Bob 
CDR Bob Mehal OASD(PA) 
703-697-4162 

To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD 
Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 

Bob: 
Good afternoon. Following the meeting with Vickers, take away that we'd try find some time sit down again before the summer holidays. dates when I'll next 
D.C. are: 
20-21 June June July. 
Please let know any those fit Vickers schedule. 

Additionally, wanted let you know that anticipate making formal request for DOD support early July. are also talking WH. 
Thanks again for setting all this up. 
Best, 

Mark Jun 2011, 8:02 AM, Mehal, Robert CDR OSD wrote: 
>Mark, Greatl can start breathing again ... was worried were going lose the spot. will waiting the Pentagon's Visitor's Center (Metro Entrance), please allow few 
minutes for security screening. will meet with Vickers 1215 and has hard 1300 stop. See you then. Resp, Bob Commander Bob Meha1 Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations 1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 20961) Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162 From: Mark Boal Sent: Thursday, To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie Yes can there noon Sent from iPhone Jun 2011, 9:59 AM, "Mehal, Robert CDR oso PA"  wrote: Mark, Please let know you can here 1200; trying hold the spot 
. 
 Vr/Bob Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer 

 
 
Bin Laden Movie 
 
Roger Sent via BlackBerry ATT 
OSD PA; 
  Lowery, Todd CIV OSD OUSDI Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 
 
 Bob, Thank you. Thursday good for me, I'm D.C, and available your convenience.  Mark -----Original Message----- From: 
 To: Cc: 
 Cc: Weinstein, Douglas EMr OSD OUSDI Cc: Lowery, Todd CIV OSD OUSDI Subject: Bin Laden Movie Sent: Jun 2011 10:06 
 Mark, Hello, Vickers Public Affairs Officer. will Thursday you are still going town. not could look doing something the next time you are DC. has agreed meet with you, but you just caught him time when has travel scheduled. 
Original Message ---->> From: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 04:57 To: Morrell, Geoff OSD Cc: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Re: Bin laden movie 
 They've already talked DD/CIA Morell. 
 Happy meet with them. Sent from wireless handheld Original Message ----
 From: Morrell, Geoff OSD Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:30 To: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI Cc: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Fw: Bin laden movie 
 What you all think? These guys are the Oscar winning team behind the Hurt Locker. 
 Geoff Morrell  Deputy Assistant Secretary Defense Pentagon Press Secretary 703-614-2935 (O) 571-309-4978 (C) 
 
 Sent: Sunday, 05, 2011 11:27 To: Morrell, Geoff OSD Subject: Bin laden movie 
 Geoff, Regarding our upcoming film about the hunt for OBL --which Kathryn Bigelow directing and writing and producing, our follow-up The Hurt Locker --am thinking that would wise for touch base with Under Secretary Mike Vickers .... Naturally, understand the sensitivities, and more than anything, simply hoping for opportunity briefly tell him about the project's scope .... Please let know you would you for facilitating introduction. I'll 
D.C. for least few more days. Thanks, Mark Boal Sent via BlackBerry ATT ----------------------- Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device Sent via BlackBerry ATT 

Parker, Fatima OSD 
From; Wilson, Douglas HON OSD 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 20116:26AM 

To: Farnsworth, Sarah OSD PA; Whitman, Bryan SES OSO PA; Lapan, David COL OSD Cc: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD 
Subject: RE: Bin Laden Movie Signed By: dougtas.wilson@osd.rnil 
Phil should definitely meet with Mark and get his own sense the film. have been supportive date, has Director Panetta, but will interested Phil's views this one particular. Thanks--Doug (PS --It should Phil that meets with Mark) 
-----Original Message----
From: Farnsworth, Sarah OSD Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:59 To: Wilson, Douglas HON OSD PA; Whitman, Bryan SES OSD PA; Lapan, David COL OSD Cc: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD 
Subject: FW: Bin Laden Movie Doug -this can wait but Vince/Phil forwarded your note regarding guidance from the they were just contacted Mark Boal were looking for some guidance how proceed. 
Appreciate the guidance -Sarah 
Original Message ----
From: Wilson, Douglas HON OSD Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 :.34 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA; Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI 
Cc: Ferguson, Thomas CIV, OSD OUSDI; Morrell, Geoff OSD PA; Whitman, Bryan SES OSD PA; 
Thanks, Bob. set the second session with Vickers. getting additional guidance from 
Original Message ----
PA; 
 

Subject: FW: Bin Laden Mqvie 
Sir, From Mark Boal. Have you heard anything from leadership yet about how want proceed? believe this still the research phase, but need clear the approach are taking before schedule. 
Vr/Bob 
CDR Bob Mehal OASD(PA) 
703-697-4162 
From: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:07 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 
Bob: 
Good afternoon. Following the meeting with Vickers, take away that we'd try find some time sit down again before the summer holidays. dates when I'll next 
0.C. are: 
20-21 June June July. 
Please let know any those fit Vickers schedule. 

Additionally, wanted let you know that anticipate making formal request for DOD support early July. are also talking WH. 

Thanks again for setting all this up. 
Best, 

Mark Jun 2011, 8:02 M'I, Mehal, Robert COR OSO wrote: 
>Mark, Great! can start breathing again ... was worried were going lose the spot. will waiting the Pentagon's Visitor's Center (Metro Entrance), please allow few minutes for security screening. will meet with Vickers 1215 and has hard 1300 stop. See you then. 
>Resp, Bob 

>Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations 

>1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 20961) 
>Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162 
>-----Original Message-- From: Mark Boal sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:56 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSO 
>Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie Sent: 2011 8:42  To: Subject: RE: Movie  Mark, there any chance can move the meeting today and his schedule really full. willing  Please. let know soonest. Resp, Bob  Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations  1400 Defens.e Pentagon (Rm 20961)>> Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:57 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD Subject: Bin Laden Movie   Roger Sent via BlackBerry ATT  -----Original Message----- From: "Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA" Date: Jun 2011 Yes can there noon Sent from iPhone Jun 2011, 9:59 AM, "Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA"  wrote: 
 Mark, Please let know you can here 1200; trying hold the spot. 
 
 Vr/Bob 
 Commander Bob Mehal Public Affairs Officer Defense Press Operations 1400 Defense Pentagon (Rm 2D961)>> Washington, 20301-1400 (703) 697-4162 
 
 -----Original Message---->> From: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD 1200 1215? Vickers back use his lunch meet. 
 Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 
 

>>Mark, Meet the visitors' center the Metro entance 1230 Thursday. have 
1245 with Vickers. 

>>Let know you have any questions. Bob 

>>------------------------- Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device 
 
 
>>-----

----
 From: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:13 
 To: Mehal, Robert CDR OSD PA; Cc: Morrell, Geoff OSD PA; Weinstein, Douglas Todd CIV OSD OUSDI 
 Subject: Re: Bin Laden Movie 
 Bob, 
 Thank you. Thursday good for rne, I'm D.C, and available your convenience.  Mark 
 
>>------Original Message----->> From: Robert CDR 050 

 To:  Cc: OSD Cc: Weinstein, Douglas EMr OSD OUSDI Cc: Lowery, Todd CIV 050 OUSOI 

>>Subject: Bin Laden Movie 
>>Sent: Jun 2011 10:06 

 
 Mark, Hello, Vickers Public Affairs Officer. will Thursday you are still going town. not could look doing something the next time you are DC. has agreed meet with you but you just caught him time when has travel scheduled. 
 Resp, Bob 
 Original Message From: Vickers, Michael HON OSD OUSDI Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 04:57 To: Morrell, Geoff OSO Cc: Mehal, Robert COR 050 

>>Subject: Re: Bin laden movie 
 They've already talked DO/CIA Morell. 
 
>>Happy meet with them. 
 Sent from wireless handheld 
 Original Message From: Morrell, Geoff 050 Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:30 To: Vickers, Michael HON 050 OUSDI 
>>Cc: Mehal, Robert COR OSD Subject: Fw: Bin laden movie 

 What you all think? These guys are the Oscar winning team behind the Hurt Locker. Sent via BlackBerry ATT 

 
Geoff Morrell Deputy Assistant Secretary Defense Pentagon Press Secretary 703-614-2935 (0) 571-309-4978 (C) 
 Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:27 To: Morrell, Geoff OSD Subject: Bin laden movie 
 Geoff, Regarding our upcoming film about the hunt for OBL --which Kathryn Bigelow directing and writing and producing, our follow-up The Hurt Locker --am thinking that would wise for touch base with Under Secretary Mike Vickers .... Naturally, understand the sensitivities, and more than anything, simply hoping for opportunity brtefly tell him about the project's scope .... Please let know you would you for facilitating introduction. I'll 
D.C. for least few more days. 
 
 Thanks,  Mark Boal 
 Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device 
  Sent via BlackBerry ATT 
Parker. Fatima aso 
From: Sent: 
To: Cc: 
SUbject: 

Mark, 
The good Colonel leave today responding his stead. 
Doug's happy host you for meeting here you'd like this can all done over drinks
 --whichever you guys prefer. has some time Tuesday afternoon that can do. Let know.
 
Carl
 
Carl Woog
 Special Assistant the
 Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs Pentagon 2E964
 703-697-7341 direct
 703-697-9312 office
 carl.woog@osd.mil carl.woog@osd.smil.mil 
-----Original Message----From: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD
 Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:08
 To: Woog, Carl OSD
 Subject: Fw: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie
 
Carl,
 
Over you for any follow up.
 
Sent using BlackBerry
 
-----Original Message -----~~------__,
 From: Mark Boal [mai1to:mar~(b)(6)
 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 20171-0~6~:~1~7~P~M--~
 
To: Martin, Jeremy C07.L~O~S~D~P~A~ --,
 ~C" Kathrlo pel ~(b)(6) Woog, Carl OSD PA;
 ~(b)(6)
 

Subject: Re: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
Done! Thank you. 
Jeremy, might have lost track here...are also still trying schedule office meeting the Pentagon Tuesday? 
Thanks again. 

Mark
 Sent from iPhone Jul 13, 2el1, 11:36 AM, "Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA"  wrote: Good afternoon Mark,
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Mr. Wilson recommends Ris 23rd and Streets, NW. 
All Best, 
Jeremy 
Jeremy Martin Colonel, USA Senior Military Assistant Office the Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs 7e3-693-e776 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
-----Original Message----From: Mark Boal [mailto:mar~(b)(6)
 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2e11 1:41 
To: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD 
Cc: Kathryn Bigelow; Woog, Carl OSD PA; 
Subject: Re: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 

Suggest perhaps bar Georgetown Ritz? 
Sent from iPhone Jul 13, 2el1, 8:e1 AM, "Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA"  wrote: 
 Thanks, Mark. 
 
 We'll follow bit later with the location. 
 
 All Best, 
 
 Jeremy 
 
 Jeremy Martin 
 Colonel, USA 
 Senior Military Assistant 
 Office the Assistant Secretary 
 Defense for Public Affairs 


7e3-693-e776 
   
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2e11 1e:47 ~~~Ir-------- To: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD 
PA; l(b)(6)
 Cc: Kathryn Bigelow; Woog, Carl OSD Subject: Re: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
 
 Jeremy, Good afternoon. 6pm July works for us, thank you very much. location tbd. 

 Best, 
 Mark Sent via BlackBerry ATT 
 -----Original Message----
 From: "Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA" Date: Wed, Jul 2011 09:22:58 
 To: Cc: Kathryn Woog, Carl OSD Subject: RE; greetipgs bin laden movie Good morning Mark, 
 hope you and Kathryn are well. 
 
 Mr. Wilson available for drinks July 19th -shall say 6:00 with location determined? 
 All Best, 
 Jeremy  
 Jeremy Martin  Colonel, USA Senior Military Assistant Office the Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs 703-693-0776 
 
 -----Original Message---- From: Wilson, Douglas HON oso Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:30 To: Cc: Kathryn Bigelow; Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA; Woog, Carl OSD Subject: RE: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
 Mark and Kathryn --I'm copying COL Jeremy Martin and Carl Woog office, lock meeting with you here July 19, and drink while you are here. Jeremy Bash and talked yesterday, and and will work unclog the SOCOM pathway for you. Assume you are getting what you need from Mike Vickers, but any case we'll review where you are next week and move the ball forward. 
 Warm regards, 
 Doug 
 To: Wilson, Douglas HON 050 

.., Kathryn Bigelow Subject: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie Doug, Good afternoon Congratulations successful tour with the new Sec Def. It's been exciting read about here the coast. Wanted let you know that Kathryn and will back D.C. for few days, from July July, further our research the Bin Laden movie. think would worthwhile, your schedule permits, schedule meeting update you our progress and further discuss DoD support. July? And separately ... let knowif there any chance you can>> Perhaps Tuesday 
meet for that drink. Wishing you safe travels and looking forward talking soon. Mark 

Parker, Fatima OSD 
From: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:58 To: Woog, Carl OSD Cc: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD 
Subject: Re: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
Thanks for the clarification. 
Sounds like the 6pm appointment gets done. Sent via BlackBerry ATT 
-----Original Message----
From: "Woog, Carl OSD PA"  Date: 
Cc: Martin, Jet'emy COL OSD PA Subject: RE: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
Mark, 
The good Colonel leave today responding his stead. 
Doug's happy host you for meeting here you'd like this can all done over drinks --whichever you guys prefer. has some time Tuesday afternoon that can do. Let know. 
Carl 
Carl Woog Special Assistant the 
Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs Pentagon 2E964 703-697-7341 direct 703-697-9312 office 
carl.woog@osd.mil 

carl.woog@osd.smil.mil 
-----Original Message----
From: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:08 To: Woog, Carl OSD Subject: Fw: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
Carl, 
Over you for any follow up. 

Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 06:17 -----Original Message---- From: Mark Boal Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:41 To: Martin, Jeremy COL OSD Cc: Kathryn Bigelow; Woog, Carl OSD PA; Subject: Re: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie Suggest perhaps bar Georgetown Ritz? Sent from iPhone Jul 13, 2011, 8:01 AA, ''Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA"  wrote: Thanks, Mark. 
 We'll follow bit later with the location. 
 
 All Best, 
 Jeremy 
 Jeremy Martin  Colonel, USA Senior Military Assistant Office the Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs  703-693-0776 
 
 

 
 Jeremy, Good afternoon. 6pm July works for us, thank you very much. location tbd. 
 Best, 
 Mark Sent via BlackBerry ATT 
 
 -----Original Message----
 From: "Martin, Jeremy COL OSD PA"  Date: Wed, To: > Jeremy Martin Colonel, USA Senior Military Assistant Office the Assistant Secretary Defense for Public Affairs  703-693-0776 
 
 -----Original Message---- From: Wilson, Douglas HON OSD Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:30 To: Cc: Kathryn Bigelow; Martin, Jeremy COL 050 PA; Woog, Carl OSD  Subject: RE: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie Mark and Kathryn I'm copying COL Jeremy Martin and Carl Woog office, lock meeting with you here July 19, and drink while you are here. Jeremy Bash and talked yesterday, and and will work unclog the SOCOM pathway for you. Assume you are getting what you need from Mike Vickers, but any case we'll review where you are next week and move the ball forward. 
 
 Warm regards, 
 
 Doug 
 To: Wilson, Douglas HON OSD Cc: Kathryn Bigelow Subject: greetings from Hollywood: bin laden movie 
 
 Doug,  Good afternoon
 Congratulations successful tour with the new Sec Def. It's been exciting read about here the coast. 
 Wanted let you know that Kathryn and will back D.C. for few days, from July -19 July, further our research the Bin Laden movie. 
 think would worthwhile, your schedule permits, schedule meeting update you our progress and further discuss DoD support. 
 
>>Perhaps Tuesday -19 July? And separately ... let know there any chance you can meet for that drink. 
 Wishing you safe travels and looking forward talking soon. 
 
 Mark  
Transcript from background interview with Marl Boal and Katherine Bigelow (15 Jul 2011) 
Mike Vickers -MV Mark Boal -MB Katherine Bigelow -KB Phil Strub -PS Bob Mehal -BM -Katherine going somehow figure out how turn disorganized screenplay into terrific movie -and great recreation the events since last talked, just catch you up, speak, what have been doing. took your guidance and spoke the and had good meeting with Brennan and McDonough and plan follow with them; and they were forward leaning and interested sharing their point view; command and control; that was great, thank you. met with Acting Director Morrell today Langley and continued talk various people the IC. 
MV-This was follow-up? You've met with him before -correct? 
MB-Yes correct; this was follow-up. -So intel stuff going great and pretty well along that, before talked with you; but let's say between 2nd and base that. The stuff, think good shape well, the last leg the stool obviously DoD. that's what, hopefully can talk about some that here, but wanted give you sort inside baseball. One the things had talked about was eventually will going, hopefully going, down SOCOM and talking somebody down there -maybe McRaven whoever-still the horizon. 
MV-I have some news for you that front. So, and have you talked Sec Panetta -as the Director, though. 
MB-Yes. 
MV-I know very interested supporting. 
MB-We're going have dinner some point, but didn't want interrupt-travel plan Afghanistan. 
BM-Part that discussion was from the last movie. 
MV-I'm sorry, what? 
BM-Part those discussions, were reference the movie they were planning making. 
MV-Yes, okay; but know interested and supportive. 
MV-So from the DoD point view, here what can do, first off just give you some context; the people who were involved, were very few, put them categories: You had the very, very top the Pentagon, Secretary Gates, the Chairman, the Vice-Chairman the Joint Chiefs and meinitially, and that was sort the first four and then ADM McRaven was actually number five (who becomes the Operational Commander) and then you have the cast operators and planners. And then, the only other two DoD people, who end getting involved from the senior point view are colleague the Under Secretary for Policy, Michelle Flournoy; reasonably later the game like maybe month six weeks before (something like that) and then our General Council, kind the very end one issue; but that's the senior level. And then, Adm Olson, toward the very, very end, the SOCOM Commander, Admiral McRaven's Boss, and then the rest are really planners operators. And that, just give you the context. 
MB-We've talked about this before, because brought dinner with few Army Generals that 
know and said Gen Casey, give some stuff this and said didn't know (shit) and said Gen 
Corelli, common Pete tell something and said that's Title believe meant Title SO) and 
didn't know anything about it. 
MV-So that literally the roadmap. now here what we're going for you, least for now. With me, will try forthcoming can, but you are going get little bit operational stuff but more really policy, like how did make the decision, the risks, that kind stuff. But then the other people that are really central this obviously are Secretary Gates, Adm Mullen, Hoss Cartwright; that regard, are all kind the same boat you will, but that's between you and them about them talking you. 
MB-Gates short list; again ... he's got lot his (inaudible) 
MV-He did the minutes thing, know you said down the road after retired, and try get him... 
MB-Give the guy break. 
MVGive the guy break, but that's between you and him now that retired. What can't promise
you really the DoD senior level, whether I'll there will few others, but wanted give you the roadmap. 
MB-Uh-huh. 
MV-I've been told for you what Michael Morrell and others, that's what I'm going try for you tonight and others. Now the operators side; Adm McRaven and Adm Olson not want 
talk directly, because it's just bad, their just concerned commanders the force and they're telling them all the time -don't you dare talk anybody, that it's just bad example gets out -even with all sorts restrictions and everything. 
MB-Uh-huh. 

MB-I'll take someone like that. 
MV-Well the basic idea they'll make guy available who was involved from the beginning planner; SEAL Team Operator and Commander. 

MV-He's the Washington area. travels some, but when get out here can try arrange 
that. OK? So, that's it. 
MB-Thank you very much! 
KB-That's incredible 
MB-You delivered. 
MB-Do you have some time, can throw few questions you? 
MV-1 do. 
MB-We'll take 10-15 minutes? 
MV-I could stay much minutes. apologize for keeping you waiting. 
MB-I don't want suck all your time, but greedy. 
MV-But you want come back, but you're here, know you traveled, whatever, the time yours. 
MB-Just very general sense, there obviously momentum coming from the agency, I'm talking about the month leading this raid, there momentum coming from the agency that this seems like something that going worthwhile target something with, right? You have the President's stated intention make catching OBL one his priorities. you look back when you're first hearing about this and even going into Feb and Mar; and I'm asking you this because you navigated many, many Washington sort complicated -joining different forces. Did this feel like inevitable outcome? don't mean helo borne B2, but that something was going done, did seem you when you first heard about this that something was going done -was that inevitable sort outcome was there moment many moments where you felt like, God could see this thing going either way, could see the agency spending another six months collection this another year? 
MV-Sure. 
MV-So when really get the intelligence break that locates the person this compound, which late August 2010, then, the first thing that this huge intelligence break and biggest secret the government. First I'm going try put context into this and tell you how come into this and how felt about it, then, try answer your question. You probably got this from CIA, but all the people who worked this hard for many years, then they know, initially think, wow, I'll give you own perspective this this period, this the biggest intelligence lead we've had decade, but this 

point still fundamentally intelligence problem and incredible secret. through the end 2010 basically, this period okay, who have tell this point. the President, Vice President, National Security Advisor (Brennan), McDonough, etc. but handful people the White House, literally just five, six people and then, the four talked about here Defense, and Director Panetta making all these decisions consultation with the White House, you know the Secretary, the Chairman, Vice Chairman and me, and then the DNI and that's kind for while. And it's, okay this unbelievable, it's big secret -keep working; that's generally people's reaction, after the jaw dropping moment, and then number have been intensively focused this for long time, but after had gotten glimpse this guy year earlier and then lost him. remember specifically, vividly, the time that glimpse, "wholly crap are something" and then "oh man lost him." Cause was clear this guy might lead something big. But then -how going get him again? This mirage that popped one time and was gone two seconds, but now had least one location for fleeting moment time, then months later when now got him lot more finitely and got him location fix, then it's -my own reaction was right the time was "ah hah" year's work got lucky year later and now got the son-of-a-bitch and let's see where goes and there was enough initially that there was something there, but wasn't clear that was actionable. the idea, still intelligence problem, continue work the intelligence problem. least from own perspective, yah you start think about things, but the first thing you got develop the intelligence and everybody else pretty much that mode. The other thing would want convey you it's extremely closely guarded, but also the pace this point kind development -every month couple weeks something-it's not the intense pace that comes later. yes, there the President's guidance, but that's still more the back the mind this point, one's decided anything any kind except try develop the intelligence picture better. 
PS-Excuse me, but after the intelligence you received Aug last year, the group, and there was such high degree confidence identification, was there shift from this uncertainly, more well now this set, now it's matter the nuts and bolts continuing collect intelligence that would lead towards the possible action -outcome. 
BM The way you laid out the phases yesterday was really good. 
MV-Again, what would say it's big deal and it's incredibly big secret, that's closely held. guess what would say that interactions with all the people CTC and everything was "okay," What else have learned? How are moving this along? What else need that refine
the picture? But talk among the inner circle about what this means, really isn't until early the year where start thinking -okay need develop options, and then -Bob was reminding about-the "First phase" kind intelligence development from the last four months of2010. Now this mind like nothing else, just speaking for personally, but it's slower pace. Then, coming back from the holidays January, had real sense you know are shifting into new phase and are going develop options and then that "Second phase" kind okay well now 

are pretty sure got something here, but not sure anyone wants anything that its good enough anything about, but let's start developing what could do. the way that proceeds first tiny little group, mostly CIA, and me, and then this one Navy Seal -at this point who given Adm McR.aven, but the first step really all just CIA. So, January, they internally come with five options, various ways could this, with the government's assistance, without, and various operational means, but any event, they're very broad courses action. You can kind this way -with them -without them, but literally basic very broad descriptions -this sounds plausible, sort 50,000 foot level; and then that takes another month okay some these look plausible, some maybe less so, debate them, and think about how want refine them. But then think, Panetta decides, need bring Adm McR.aven, and that's roughly about mid-Feb. 
MB-And that's specifically for the helo version this? 
MY-That's for his portions, but his portions are lot variants theme; don't want into real specific details, I'll leave that the SEALs -but again you can with the AK.s, without, bigger force, smaller force, this way, that way, and -but any event number those would have involved him, not all the courses action, but number. And the desire first bring him just him and nobody else and then -okay now what need from you is, here's how are going proceed, need planner, one guy help flush out few these with CIA, but that then looks promising and decide are going down this path then we'll bring more people help flush out even more. It's all kind sketched out talked him, kind sketched out here where might need this thing, this thing the next month two -just notionally. 
MV-Then the next phase that would describe; that sort takes from Valentine's Day essentially mid Mar; then mid-Mar where you then swing into -now these phases become parallel this point -but you from Intelligence (keeping the big secret), concept develop (broad course action development) little more refinement and then now mid March you start series Presidential meetings and senior White House meetings -there's five meetings with the President between mid-Mar and the end Apr and multiple meetings with Brennan, Morrell and and others -Cartwright -and 
McR.aven. And that then becomes okay -Which options like better? Which paths you start down? Are going this sooner rather than later? Are going this all? Nobody going make that decision until they have to, but are going it, when want ready -is sooner rather than later, which options, ground air, with the Pa.ks, without, you don't rule things out, but you start sorting more and figure okay these few going develop probably heading down this path, and there's period kind initial Presidential guidance that results in, want this sooner rather than later, probably unilateral, but haven't decided it, but want keep options open, any plausible option want look at. there still more than one option. And planning teams then are told develop their things further, basically March, the second half March and those are presented the White House and flushed out and refined and 

refined and refined. One air option rejected and replaced with another and then that one carries through the end but ultimately not decided on. -At this point, again given your experience ... -And air meaning airstrike ... -Right, understand, meaning more precise version. Are you, your 25,000 view, hey we're moving toward action here, that something going happen, can't put money helo borne the precision strike, something, but we're moving toward something? That's what I'm trying ... 

MV-So again you start then sort ... -Or could have still been nothing? Well still could have been nothing. But guess, say, from the turn the year on, where
started intensely engaging every week concept development, because that was when the decision was made okay let's start thinking about how we're going this. Then, from mid-Feb on, became very, very intense; okay time call Adm McRaven, and got bring, and doesn't know any this stuff for six months, and bring him speed, and here's what want from you, and intense series White House meetings through March. then, mid-March when the meetings with the President start and sort six weeks period get the decision and narrowing down the decision; becomes increasingly intense and that there now pretty high probability might something, other words might not, might delay, might choose this that -but this now moved into lets develop really serious options. 
MB-Uh-huh -And said, that winnowing peoples' opinions, change about what the majority favors, initial reaction like this and end doing something else, they initially weren't too wild about what ended doing. 
MB-You're talking about the White House? 
MV-No, not just the White House, but senior policy makers -senior policy makers. You know, opinions shifted things got examined much greater detail. You could for something conceptually, because sounded simple and elegant and it's going the job, but then when you examine and all the ramifications you say, that doesn't look good take that off the table. sounds good until you think the collateral damage? -Among other things, but lots reasons that what looks good initially, may not good after. What will happen when you can't prove that you got the guy, etc ... then number issues ... what will happen relationship afterwards. Again, we're trying keep every viable option the table. one air option goes away, another gets substituted -and then that planning team totally separate group, very tiny group, but they've got brought into this, couple people, and plan all this with different instrument. But meanwhile, we're narrowing down Adm McRaven's options; refining and refining his plan and then the end March early April, narrow down essentially two options and with target the end April that window that was actually done very, very late April very early May. CIA had the great foresight building mock-up the facility; started that actually January, before had decided anything and even bring Adm McRaven, and was ready when the time came that that was going viable option. And then early April, probably the second third ... think met with the President mid March and then the end March and the other three meetings were April, including right before, couple the week before. any event, then basically, okay these two options, still not sure are going this, but sooner rather than later, target the end the month, we'll make the decision the end the month, but proceed we're doing -go get ready. that point then ... -What was the other option aside from the Helo borne assault that was the table? -An airstrike one form, but not.... But not the B2? Not the B2. -So then, swing into high gear bringing basically all the operators and planners who are actually going -for the air option doesn't require lot, requires handful people plan -for the ground option, that actually did, required not only the people who executed the mission but all sorts staff and the end this thing had gone from, not counting CIA, you exclude CIA think there were like eight nine people outside CIA, who actually knew about this last Fall... not counting the Intelligence Community, because there's some NSA, NGA couple, but not lot ... order CIA, NSA, NGA, but the policy makers talked about was very, very small and then there's few that are added toward the end, mentioned the DoD side but the Secretary State couple weeks before, the Attorney General, Homeland Security, the FBI, that's all the weekend and ... -And Secretary State brought in, that partly because there concern about embassies and State should really have heads-up that their embassy might get stormed Monday? Yes, but also National Security policy maker, you are going something like that she
has major vote whether you not, the President going turn her immediately and say 
should this not, but then there all this stuff ... but again the problem then even the end 
there only handful people these organizations that know about it, you have answer those 
kinds questions from the very the top. You don't have all your bureaucracy work with; you got 
Secretary, and Deputy, person who worries about security and maybe Ambassador, but that's it. you've got transmit this -okay prepared this, plan, well for policy making, and 
again, don't want speak for her anybody else but myself. -But the SEALS and JSOC, Adm McRaven's organization, now have start doing rehearsals and 
doing detailed planning and everything else, that starts April; 7-8 April and another big one the 
week after that, what call full mission rehearsal where you're doing everything, flying, not just what you're going the target, but how you get the target, and the time takes and everything, realistic conditions can do. Adm Mullen and flew out West for that watch that full profile and flew back, and .... 
MB-By the way, when you saw it, you thought this going work this pretty cool? -Yes. mean was big change just week practicing just seeing doing the mock-up facility versus the whole thing, enormous, enormous change from the first time you try I've done for week straight and now, I'm putting all the pieces together ... -Oh, that's interesting Even for these experts, it's kind -crawl, walk, run, -you're watching crawl the first time and
then walk, and the end they're running, it's almost what it's exactly going look like two weeks later. Then after that done, back the policy making side that goes over six weeks. probably late April, 18-21 April there's another meeting with the President and that's the decision, well still haven't decided this and haven't decided which option going do, but could one these things two weeks, and want ready and then there's the decision posture the force, and that has take place kind the week prior. And people get deployed, now again, not lot people know about this this point, people are being told right as, hey guess what some guys are going show your country and you the four star commander probably ought least know about this, but that's probably all you need this point. Then there's the final decision go, which made the Thursday/ Friday before that Sunday -Friday morning actually, but Thursday night was the last big meeting with the President and Secretary Gates and the Chairman. guess the period between the 15th March 20-something March, can't remember, guess around the second meeting, around the end March, the 28th March; between that period, there's going confidence Adm McRaven' mission option and then would say that builds they rehearse and get results and the plan gets refine and you make changes it; I'm still not comfortable how you are going this, things bad 
-how are you going get out? Okay, got your guidance, now got plan that, now got come back and show you that, okay now like that and confidence rises, but even that point said, thru sort mid April the end April there are divided views among the deputies and the principals whether this, which way it, and again there's more people shifting toward Adm McRaven, but still divided camps maybe half one side and half, goes from more people, overwhelming majority favor option that ultimately never even made the end maybe half and half some point, the very end becomes more I'd say (or maybe little more than that) favor Adm McRaven, but there are some people who recommend don't all, don't anything, you've got choose the one that don't end doing, that why the common story that this intelligence ten years the making, real remarkable story over the last year last ten months piecing together and then Special Operations both planning and adaptive execution, because what they the target wasn't their primary plan and had change couple ways and hardly looked like did, but also why Secretary Gates and others said gutsy decision the President. Again, had very senior people telling him don't this Mr. President. mean had majority who said did (sic) it, but still incredibly gutsy decision; and people passionately arguing for another course ... you know senior advisors. understanding you liked the helo from the beginning let say that you were early
adapter that; can you ... -Well view keep all your options open, everything, this what started with because there pros and cons everything and then continue refine and analyze there's innumerous details you have got work out, like okay, with this Adm McRaven option -what with the 
body? Who notify afterwards? That takes lot time, work out all those details and then you start thinking this good idea and then you think it's not good idea, I'm going this way and 
eventually ended where did, but took awhile. yes, would say the end March was clearly Adm McRaven's camp; said was early adopter and persuaded others, but, the end there was strong majority both the deputies and the principals. -And your reasoning for that based ... 
MV-One, felt more and more confident that had really good plan, that could actually get and could ... -But you would say that the principal thing that you got the body? 
MV-Yes, that was the dispositive, all the critical things that could wrong, and there some operation risk, but the critical strategic and political things that could wrong, really revolved around, they weren't operational questions, they were could prove this and the end the day; and could that and then also too, once you had enough confidence that you could potentially get and out 
undetected, then there was the question -What he's not there? Then obviously ground raid looks 
lot better than air strike when you're not killing people you don't need to. there he's not there and nobody dies theoretically and we'll wonder what the hell happened, but 
there was reasonable probability that could ... and also too there might reasons keep quiet; 
which one the reasons did through the CIA the end the day; could have done with 
the Secretary charge rather than dual relationship. -Let's say the worse thing, they there ... -So, this whole thing about (85) percent down forty, let just talk about that for second ... 
MB-You're talking about the range views the probability that actually there? -Yes, yes, because mean ... -You already told you thought that .... 
MV-So basically, just safety check, the National CounterTerrorism Center, Mike Leiter, and company are brought very late the game, like two weeks before, and the poor guy was getting married the day before, ruined/cancelled his honeymoon and other stuff. But first he's told here the big secret the government and the second thing volunteers have red team just reassess the intelligence, because NCTC kind completes terrorism intelligence with CIA. And so, any event, they bring some analysts from CIA but also from DIA and others NCTC and they this red team and they try come with all alternative hypotheses and everything else, and one those guys was "Mr Forty Percent," now that was still very strong, but was kind naysayer, and then the others were 60-70, but also people like Morrell were 60; some the others CTC were the camp, considered myself the camp, but was saying 80, 40, it's still the same evidence it's circumstantial case and you know that's why it's gutsy decision the President. 
MB-Let's say .... -Now would say the intel. 
MB-Okay ... The number people, who they were, where they were, was all 100 percent spot on, 100 percent
spot on. The identities people and where they were, which house, which floor, etc. was all spot on. that was pretty good. Now, there were few other surprises, like all the crap had that took off the target and others and few other things, but you couldn't know that advance ... 
KB-Right. -You couldn't know was there and turned out probably stronger than
... -They understated ... 
MV-Yes. -Now let ask you hypothetical? Let's say the worse case happens during the raid there 
firefight the SEALs get pinned down they shoot their way, your mind terms worst casing this, 
what the worst possible strategic ... are war with Pak..., could that happen? What the worst 
outcome here the raid? 

MV-Well ... -Obviously the guys die; but mean terms the big strategic picture the country? -So one, mean having lots messy things bad; having helicopters crash -big fear ... 

MB-Well mean, say guy comes out from the neighborhood shoots RPG, they shoot back, 
turns out ... -Yah, you get Blackhawk down something, where things just terribly bad the objective route the objective, mean it's less problem because that point you don't know where you are going but you are still violating somebody's territory, but again, depends, long can get the force out, and then just got wreckage -you know Desi Amaz, got some splaining do," Lucy does, whatever is; but less bad, than I've just got bunch people dead and stuff the objective; and the worst case where you actually have big fight with the Pakistani Security Forces, critical consideration is, say-one, what not there; can get and out, essentially surgically, without killing anybody without them really knowing was there; good probability that but not hundred percent. And then second, got there and things were little messier than thought, can least extract myself before they really bad. say had again downed helicopter, got think, could get everybody out there and just ... rather than holed the Alamo and then I've got negotiate their way out something, that's where really turned bad 
MB-And did you game out what happens ifthere big fight with Pak Security Forces? -Yes, but tried develop plan saf that would avoid that, which would get out well before they could react under any .... And you had high confidence? had high confidence could that. being able assess their ability, given what you knew about quickly they could .... -Yes, knew where everybody was and what their likely reaction times were and had enough redundancy that were confident that could get out had and lot protection, and turned out didn't need any that. 
MB-Was there turning..You mentioned the January period sort like one these transitions 
between ... January being sort transition between phase one and phase two you described 
them, there ... know there was that November phone call where the intercept says I'm still working 
for the same brothers before? Yah, gives you higher confidence you build the case, but again part the period, the reason
divide that way you know, other than okay Mr. President we're going tell you this big secret; and okay, well continue develop and keep informed, okay keep you informed; isn't until mid February when it's, even really with the President mid ... mean kept advised Donilon and Brennan and stuff. but really isn't until mid March when okay, lets assess the strength ofthis case. that's when you are really putting together and you're refining that, you know, why you have confidence this, what are plausible alternative explanations, what more can you collect narrow the uncertainty, which again, worth delaying, what going get try this this ... you know, there are all these discussions going about try convince that this really what you think and not something else, and then secondarily, convince your plan, which option the right one. But, there's period between mid March, and would say, early April where you are still trying make the case, you can look back evidence like hey got this and got this, but took more than that took, even piece evidence consequential its well how can test this hypothesis that it's not some drug lord whatever you know what would see that were the case fitting all the evidence. -Hum, Right. -Could communicating with his supplier something like that? Yah, right; it's someone else, number two something else. there lot that but the
end the day once gets very refined and there's not additional opportunities for collection without risk, then it's, okay what you make it. what is; and then what you make the plan plans, which one you like. that's where ended up. -Great, yes. You got fifteen more minutes you want, but you ask I've been talking too much, ahead.
MB-No, no. You've been incredible.
MB-You've been great. -(to KB) did you? you asked the one that was curious about what happened ... -The Pak ... Obviously part the challenge for capture how difficult this was because there version that hindsight, just looks like fell into place, right so, that why just wanted ask you hypothetically about what could have happened wrong, because makes more dramatic when all goes right guess would say that even though there was majority the end that felt the same way did, strong majority, that ought the raid for the variety reasons; get the body because dealt with all the bad contingencies the right way and could it. And felt ought it, many others did too, the very end there was still wonder, are going with option option are going delay further and just collect more intelligence and you know hindsight you could see the President was extremely determined move this ... when was ready move it, fast humanly possible and not take any chances that would leak out anything, from.15 Mar May 1st, mean that, hindsight like April st; was very clear what was going do, but wasn't clear April 28th. 
MB-Right. -So, the next morning when decided, percent Friday morning; had our last big meeting with him Thursday night and then the inner White House circle Saturday mom ... Friday morning, issued the order and stuff like that, and still didn't know which way was going go; mean high probability thought would the way did, but you say things look clearer hindsight then they actually were the time. -Uh-huh, Uh-huh. And was part the reason that you didn't the more surgical strike just not having much confidence that technology working was again going back the verification issue? -It's mixture; once you get away ... once becomes surgical then you're less worried about 
killing lots people that you didn't mean kill, but then there's the issue number one, did really 
get guy and .... opposed he's just tunnel somewhere ... ah, just you missed. Like had abort for some reason route the target, without 
crashed helicopter, they never would have been the wiser. very strong very high probability that 
could have gone three quarters the way, turned around come back and tried again ... couple weeks later ... month later ... month later ... and you needed everything, temperature and those sorts things, but mean you could have had second chance. you did the raid the target would spooke them; even was there others were there, whatever missed for some reason you probably don't get second chance. But clearly you strike and miss, you're done. Even the security forces don't figure out, the guys who are there clearly figure out and the same thing, you kill the wrong person, any kind miss you're finished. It's one shot. And then, said the trouble okay, did get him but really didn't know was him 100 percent, and now how can prove it, afterwards, what say, what do, mean how know that really did get him, even have high confidence think did. 
MB-Uh-hum. -And then, you have the diplomatic problem what the hell are you doing bombing country; even it's with small bombs and only few people something, there any women ... the idea that you could get just him and not someone else dashing out, because there's kids and women periodically with him and stuff like that ... -Was the idea that you would literally just strike the third floor? 
MV-No. -So, was take the whole building? -No, not the whole building, but try get just him possible. But probably wasn't possible get just him. again, there series things that make that risky both strategic and tactical. But again, there were some people who were for it, but let them speak for themselves. -So extraordinary, just extraordinary. very intense period. ah; well thank you for ta1cing the time. -Well again, with some this, provided you don't drop bombs, it's repeatable and that's what attracted some people it. could fly over .... -But why would you pull them back the middle the flight? What are you going find out midnight Sunday? -Because, the period that you might there, the limited window, may not available and that sense you could try again, but the other hand, once you drop that bomb you don't get try again. And then even you hit him you don't know that you have strategic success and that ultimately the problem. -So should have 
reach out you or? 
MB-I' call him, however you want play it. take your guidance ... and very grateful. -And what's your schedule look like? 
KB-We leave early Wednesday morning and back Los Angeles but could come back ... -Because going off Afghanistan/Pakistan Sunday.