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Judicial Watch Statement on Discovery of Backups for “Missing” Lois Lerner IRS Emails

Judicial Watch Statement on Discovery of Backups for “Missing” Lois Lerner IRS Emails

AUGUST 25, 2014

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced the following developments in the IRS’ missing emails investigation. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton stated:

Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe.  The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.  The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.

We obviously disagree that disclosing the emails as required would be onerous, and plan to raise this new development with Judge Sullivan.

This is a jaw-dropping revelation.  The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails. There are no “missing” Lois Lerner emails – nor missing emails of any of the other top IRS or other government officials whose emails seem to be disappearing at increasingly alarming rate. All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be – but dishonestly withheld this information. You can bet we are going to ask the court for immediate assistance in cutting through this massive obstruction of justice.

Here is the second set of sworn declarations by IRS officials in response to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan’s investigation into the missing emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials. The declarations were provided after close of business on Friday, August 22.

The first meeting was held this afternoon by Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola, who was appointed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan to manage and assist in discussions between Judicial Watch and the IRS about how to obtain any missing records which have been the subject of longstanding Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)).

Judge Sullivan has encouraged Judicial Watch to submit a request for limited discovery into the missing IRS records after September 10.

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  • wisegal1958

    Indeed. And to centralize government for the sake of unity, to secure our borders and provide for the national defense, but to limit it’s power by dividing it up into three branches that check and balance each other and to establish guaranteed rights that may not be infringed. But they made it the duty of the people to elect the right officials to administer it and to alter or abolish anything that infringes on our guaranteed rights. And we really have some serious altering and abolishing to do in Washington because they have forgotten their place. They’ve forgotten that they work for us and answer to us. Obama has weaponized government to silence opposition and to push the people around. It’s the Marxist way, same as Hitler. Impeach him already.

  • wisegal1958

    Yes, a Grand Jury and a Special Prosecutor. And while they are at it, begin Impeachment of Eric Holder, who is neck deep in the corruption and refuses to prosecute the abuse of power and targeting being done.

  • wisegal1958

    Goodness, he’s done a LOT more than that. In fact, he has armed and given aid and assistance to the very terrorists who are butchering their way through Iraq right now, without going through Congress. He has abused his power by writing law, while ignoring laws already written that he swore to uphold when he took his oath, he’s “rifled the files” of the AP and Congress and many many Americans, he’s looked us in the eye and lied, lied, lied, to us and to the U.N. and to the world, and on and on and on…..

  • wisegal1958

    You know, there are a whole lot of Democrats that would vote for it, too. They know how fed up Americans are with this Regime and many are actually trying to distance themselves from the criminal behavior they would like to hold onto their seats as well. With Obama’s approval rating below 40% now, you KNOW there are many Democrats tired of trying to make excuses for, and trying to defend, this lawlessness. I think they would have the votes, if for no other reason than to show their electorate that not everyone in the party is lawless. Seriously, I hear a LOT of people regretting their votes and many Democrats know they will lose their seats if they try to defend this Regime’s lawlessness.

  • Art69z

    Glad to hear you are exercising your right to vote. Now make sure, all your friend, family and co-workers get registered and educate themselves on the issues before voting.

  • Hoppytoo

    What sense would it make to attempt impeachment before a senate with a Democrat majority? Also, do you think that any party that attempted impeachment of the first “black” president would win any election for the next hundred years? The best we can hope for is a republican majority in both houses after the 2014 election and that the nation survives the next two years.

  • eastedie33510

    The Supreme Court does not investigate. They make decisions based on the investigative work and the charge put before them. We need a special prosecutor because Eric Holder will not do his job. This IRS cover-up goes all the way up to Obama and Holder will protect him.

  • eastedie33510

    The IRS targeting most likely swayed the 2012 national elections. When any branch of government is used in that manner, the punishment must be life in federal penitentiary.

  • eastedie33510

    This whole regime is a cesspool of cheaters, liars and criminals. We need more people like Tom Fitton and JW! Cannot wait until the November 4th mid-terms; even if a Democrat is running for my local dog catcher or animal control- will not vote for any socialistic prog.

  • Lonni_J

    Here’s what I think. (assign worth as seen fit): Investigative exposure by JW has shown this scandalous, and illegal, behavior of the IRS has reached the level of “the rats are abandoning ship”, meaning that no one will be shown as willing to go to jail for Lerner, Holder, or Obama. Their “loyalty”, Party or otherwise, has reached saturation point.

  • Kenny Thompson

    I see a lot of bitching here but when the call for action comes most of us don’t have the time. Until we find it in ourselves to make sacrifices to restore America these jackals will continue putting us in chains. Are we all cowards in modern America? I hate thinking it could be so.

  • Joe Force

    The House could impeach- but the Senate is unlikely to have enough votes to convict. And even so, Obama will give them a free pass in any criminal case. Civil may be another matter- and in that case no loss of pension, and if you believe Holder DOJ will ever prosecute, I’ve got this bridge. Even under the best of conditions, what with appeals, pardons, etc, their pensions are secure.

  • Amos2

    They’re fearful they may lose all those RINO and Independent voters if they do that. RINOS have no guts!

  • Amos2

    Wait! You haven’t seen anything yet. Obama, his corrupt henchmen shysters and the UN crooks are cooking up a mess of porridge that will side step the Senate and drill our wallets, paychecks and IRAs for one big chunk of money that will save the Planet Earth from human global climate change. We’ll all be eating tofu before Obama and his Democrat Party gets done with us. Thanks American voters!

  • Amos2

    Nothing to see here! Just move along!

  • Amos2

    No good, as long as the Senate is ruled by Democrat and RINO leeches answerable only to their Slave Massa Obama.

  • Skeptic62

    These individuals can be Impeached; before, during or after retirement it does not matter. Also, if convicted of a crime connected to their official functions, they can lose their retirement benefits. The question is whether the Republican Leadership has the guts to hold them accountable.

  • Amos2

    Bonehead just wants to keep his standing invitations to Democrat and RINO cocktail parties. The 13th Ohio is chock full of dumb voters.

  • Amos2

    “I have no faith in our Federal Government, none!” Neither did the Founding Fathers. That’s why they wrote the Constitution, to protect us from the federal government.

  • Amos2

    This is far worse than anything Nixon did. Let’s see. He authorized a bunch of dummies to rifle the files of the Democrat Party in the Watergate Hotel. Compare this dumb act with the serious financial harm Obama and his Democrat Party have done to Americans already and the further harm they propose to do in the next two years. No moral equivalency here, folks, regardless of what lies the Obamaites and the Democrat Party want you to believe.

  • Art69z

    Hmmmmmmm. You might be right as far as illegal aliens, becoming a new voting block for Democrats. But as far as being born, a recent article showed a total number of 58,000 black pregnancies in New York City last year. Of that number, 2/3 were aborted. I know the new math is a little different, but even with the new math, murdering 2 or every 3 black babies is not going to increase your voting block. As far as the gays, they can’t increase, they stay level over time. Your college professors from the 60’s are dying out slowly, but steadily. Your welfare crowd and druggie’s are not dependable voters. Labor unions no longer have a strangle hold on their members. And with new blood like Marco Rubio and Mia Love in the Republican party, I feel we are going to increase both our Hispanic and black support, especially among young voters. I guess we will see this November. Wish us conservative Republicans well, we are the last hope for our nation.

  • DANSHANTEAL

    JW..American Heroes. A small check is in the mail.

  • Robo

    A lawless government that expects us to be lawful.

  • azproputt

    I want the execution to be televised live and in Hi Def.

  • azproputt

    How many articles of impeachment do they need before they finally do it? Obstruction of Justice is what the first count would have been for Nixon. They can tag on at least a dozen others, as well.

  • Andrew Lummer

    Surely everyone reading this article understands that they have already gone over those email severs with a fine-toothed comb. After a dozen congressional witch hunts, really, only now has anyone thought to search the servers. Right!! :-D

    Surely everyone reading this article understands that the crashed hard drive was encrypted. The problem isn’t incompetent and disinterested IT people but adequate and effective security.

    Surely even bumbling IRS bureaucrats realize that it isn’t your own computer’s email archive that betrays your conspiracy. It is the recipients email archives and their email servers that eventually prove you covered up and destroyed evidence of your crimes (if you committed any). Surely everyone reading this article realizes that they have gone over her recipients’ emails with a fine-toothed comb.

    Keep digging dancer, you will eventually uncover the truth. Unfortunately, you may not like what you find. :-(

  • Andrew Lummer

    Art has been listening to Dick Morris’ pollsters again. There are more democrats than republicans and more voters will cast votes for democrats but somehow republican dreams of victory and glory
    will finally come true. Keep dreaming!

    Even the genius of republican red state gerrymandering will eventually be overcome by the inescapable reality that there are more democrats being born and more democrats becoming eligible to vote and fewer and fewer voters who are invested in a future of white privilege.

    The future is one of greater diversity and greater equality.

    Faux news of impending glory for a privileged few will soon give way to the great news of expanding liberty and justice for all.

  • Art69z

    It’s appropriate that should bring Elijah Cummings name up. He has been awful quiet lately. I think he knows his political career is just about to come to a screeching end.

  • AAAmerican

    The corruption at the IRS is on many levels. Targeting contitutional rights groups and missing emails are just one facet. The IRS also refuses to seek collection from taxpayers if they are of the preferred political pursuasion and this practice is going on nationwide. Look who works for the IRS – nearly all left-leaning pro-big government individuals so when one of their political allies defrauds the government, the IRS looks the other way. US tax rates are high enough that the government can fund itself by only enforcing the law against half the population. It is disgusting. The day of reckoning will come. The left will not always control the IRS.

  • Art69z

    Earth to Andrew… Earth to Andrew…Earth to Andrew… (silence). The silence is because Andrew is in the Twilight Zone. Living in a dimension, without commonsense, critical thinking, or possessing the gene of reality. One day in the future, Andrew will become conscious of the truth, when is awaken by a wave of Republican victories across the nation, coming in November 4th, two thousand fourteen. Until then, rest well Andrew in your coma-like dream world.

  • Guest

    I agree Gandy. The whole interconnected events of this scandal are being handled by experts at information manipulation. It is making me sick. It’s like the IRS is constantly saying “oops” as a fallback answer to everything until they are pushed for a proper answer by new revelations. As a 60+ year old tech savvy taxpayer I expect a whole lot more for my tax dollars than an IRS that hasn’t, can’t or doesn’t want to accept the responsibility of their mission. The function of the IRS is way too important to play politics with. I repeat, this is making me sick. Collecting revenue has become too convoluted and complicated. We should request congress to address this matter but unfortunately they are the creators of this mess. I repeat, this is making me sick. And now, not to get too far afield, the IRS has been tasked to verify and manage the taxpayer’s compliance with the Affordable Car Act.

    Do we want our government – yes our government – meddling so much in our private everyday matters. I don’t think so. I think the American people have reached a tipping point and are becoming more politically involved. Let’s hope it’s not too late.

  • Bambu

    ? Since the DOJ refuses to assign an independent prosecutor to look into the IRS scandel can the House request the Supreme Court to take this action? It would seem logical the Supremes could but under what circumstances? With control of the white house, DOJ and senate it seems the only way to get the legal process moving. No doubt obama will pardon all involved at the end of his last term but why not try something different to speed up the process. I have no faith in our Federal Government, none!

  • eastedie33510

    Thank you JW for the great work you do! With all the energy expended with lying and cover up over this IRS mess, you know Obama is at the very top of it all. “not on scintilla the IRS was involved” – Obama to CBS News.
    Using any government agency to swing a national election should be punishable by life in a federal pen. Not sure orange would be Obama’s best color – but let’s do it, JW.

  • 1Gandydancer

    This is the gub’ment, folks. It’s perfectly possible that the backup system is nearly non-functional, and that it will indeed be difficult to recover Lerner’s emails from endlessly increasing racks of unindexed magnetic tape. But “too onerous”? I don’t think that’s gonna fly.

  • 1Gandydancer

    Yes, SSpeedracer shouldn’t have presumed to speak for Americans who aren’t smart enough to know that emails aren’t kept only on the senders’ laptops or that most of the data on crashed hard drives can be recovered.

  • Red Blackerby

    Glad I didn’t vote for Obama……

  • 1Gandydancer

    Well, the import of this story is that the “judicial segment” IS “bringing it forward”, though the wheels are grinding exceedingly slowly. The “management segment” is shamelessly lying, with utter contempt for those they expect to accept their transparent lies. Then there’s the whole story of an IRS IT forensics dept which, when faced with a crashed drive, says, “oh, well” and “recycles” it. Lordy.

  • Hotlanta Mike

    Where’s John Boehner decrying “when is someone going to jail?”

  • Art69z

    Melting Granite really went on a rant. This is a typical ploy used by liberals when they can’t win the debate. They create a diversion instead of staying on topic. As you have pointed out, the 5th amendment deals with self incrimination. The 5th amendment is misunderstood all the time. As I said in my original post, the 5th amendment is to protect oneself, not others guilty of a conspiracy that you may have to testify against.

  • Andrew Lummer

    Hello, hello, hello, hello. Echo, echo, echo, echo.

    Please do no pretend to speak for me or for anyone else other than yourself. The sad and disturbing extremism on display here is the only reason/spectacle I come to visit.

    There will be no prosecutions in the near future because no actual crimes were committed. Being elected president twice by a majority of the electorate is the only crime Obama has committed since he took office. The only treason I’ve seen are sore losers complaining that the guy they voted for didn’t win and the guy they didn’t vote for should be impeached.

    If finding these missing emails were so easy the Bush administration would have found the millions of emails they “lost” during those eight years of high-crimes and misdemeanors.

    In five hundred years, when time travel is finally attempted, scores of quixotic, extremist Tea-Party types will line up to at long last “prove” that somebody in office that they didn’t vote for and don’t like did something their candidate would have done differently.

    “Ah ha! This proves I’m not paranoid or delusional! This proves they did something and I’m sure I don’t like it! All these years (generations) of bitterness and angst have been justified by this one extra email that those Obama thugs refused to turn over! The fact that this email isn’t actually a smoking gun is irrelevant except that it proves the real smoking gun was covered up! I knew it all along!”

    Ugh!

  • Ken Coumerilh

    If there’s a backup, I can retrieve the emails. Hey, I worked for Bell Telephone, Bell Labs, AT&T. Can you imagine the size of backups for phone calls? I could retrieve them (not the voice, but the from and to records). It took a while sometimes, but it’s just a little programming.

  • john Diamond

    Remember when the left cared when their side was corrupt and broke the law? Yeah, me neither they will find their voices again when a repub is in office. Liberals hate hypcirisy, but only in others.

  • ChiefBohemes

    Obama and his lefty Dem comrades treat the federal gov’t like its their personal playground….THEY WORK FOR US! Holding Presidents accountable every 4 years is not enough…..repeat after me….impeach, impeach, impeach!!!

  • Wizardman.49

    Disbarment proceedings against IRS head John Koskinen should proceed immediately, for giving tainted testimony before Congress; all other attorneys that have testified or who are planning to testify should be made aware that, even though Holder has promised not to prosecute them, or that Obama promised pardons, they in the meantime will lose their law licenses. Maybe that will loosen some tongues.

  • Delysid

    Spaz! Spaz! Spaz! Poor Spaz (meltedgrannie)keeps thinking they are right and everybody else is wrong. Spazzing out because the truth threatens the very religion they are beholden to. Spaz, its ok. You were duped by your pope and clergy (Demonrats).

  • Delysid

    you’re such a spaz.

  • Unreal Uknow

    JW already had produced letters from Senator Levin where he pushes the IRS to target conservative groups. Then there is the follow up letter that JW got as well. Why is nobody talking about Senator Carl Sander Levin’s involvement in the illegal use of government resources for political operations?

  • http://www.simplesurvival.us/ Cincinnatus

    BS. I don’t doubt that IRS targeting was done and both the IRS and Admin. are stonewalling and hiding evidence. Your assertion that emails have to be printed out and copied is pure hogwash and fails the common-sense test on its merits. The government has plenty of trash cans too.

  • Joe Force

    JW has stated that the comment was from DOJ attorneys via a phone conversation on FRIDAY . A check with PACER on that case shows NO documents dated the 21, 22 except the 3 affadavits one being just a one page list of the two affadavits by Kene and manning

  • Joe Force

    ‘… i have to admit it took some gonads to come forward..”
    Nope – When the judge gives an order- and your boss says your turn under the bus – one has little choice.
    its a survival thing- after all it was a guy named laurenta beria who supposedly said- If you have done nothing wrong- you have nothing to hide . . .

  • whoisjohngalt58

    Last i checked government entities consider only the personal contributions as vested.
    As far as Lois, while i know she’ll not likely get prison time or if she did, it would be “Club Fed” My hope is we quit treating these people like babies.
    After reading the tech teams disclosure i have to admit it took some gonads to come forward. I know that in a public entity too often the protectionism culture is pretty well embedded.

    I believe any trial should be delayed until post Obozo.

  • Lea Ott

    Off with their heads….Game of Thrones

  • Susan Benton

    Just arrest for Treason and impeach problem solved

  • Susan Benton

    I’m not suprised irs, holder, oblahblah,reid will never spend anytime in jail or prison.

  • Numb3rTech

    Mandatory prison time for everyone that lies to Congress under oath immediately!

    I am amazed at how the transparent Obama administration gets by with so many lies and NO ONE ever gets slapped down for it!

    I want an honest government with the idea of following the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the will of the CITIZENS above all else!

    Quit catering to the minorities, lobbyists and other countries allowing them to change and influence the U.S.A.!

  • DilloTank

    I wonder of if the people in IT said, “Hey look, we are required by law to back these emails up, we are not going to take a bullet for you lying $#!+bags.”

  • Dixon

    Too onerous to enter Lois Lerner’s e-mail address as a search criteria? Too damming perhaps, but not too onerous.

  • Joe Force

    Try again- that declaration re DOJ and backups/archives is NOT in the Aug 22 documents filed ! There were 3 – one sayiing the other two were filed, one by manning and one by kane.

    Case l:13-cv-01559-EGS Document 28-1 Filed 08/22/14

    DECLARATION OF STEPHEN MANNING

    1. I am currently employed by the Internal Revenue Service in the

    Information Technology business unit. I have been employed by the Internal Revenue

    Service in a variety of positions of increasing responsibility since 2009.

    2. My current position is Deputy Chief Information Officer for Strategy &

    Modernization, in which capacity i oversee, amongst other organizations, the User and

    Network Services organization in Information Technology (IT).

    3. I have been in my current position since May of 2013. During the time

    period of June – September of 2011, my position at the Internal Revenue Service was

    Associate Chief Information Officer, Enterprise Networks.

    4. According to IRS IT inventory reports, the equipment assigned to Ms.

    Lerner with data storage capability, both at the time her electronic data was collected for

    response to the Congressional investigations and at the time of the hard drive failure in

    2011, was a laptop and a Blackberry device. According to the same IT inventory

    reports, the IRS did not issue an iPhone or iPad to Lois Lerner.

    5. There is no record of any attempt by any IRS IT employee to recover data

    from any Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner in response to the Congressional

    investigations or this litigation.

    6. The Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner at the time of her departure

    from the IRS (which, according to IRS IT inventory reports, had been issued to her on

    February 14, 2012) is in the possession of the office of the Treasury Inspector General

    for Tax Administration. According to IRS records, that office took possession of the

    device on June 10, 2013.

    7. In the standard IRS configuration of Blackberry devices, the Blackberry

    device displays and stores only email (both sent and received) that is also stored in the

    Microsoft Outlook mailbox of the assigned user, with the possible exception of draft

    messages created on the Blackberry but not sent, which would appear on the

    Blackberry only. Therefore, standard IRS practice and policy in the collection of

    electronic data does not include collecting data from Blackberry devices because the

    email of a Blackberry user is collected through the process of collecting the contents of

    the user’s Outlook mailbox files.

    8. I have seen no IRS record indicating that the Blackberry assigned to Lois

    Lerner was configured other than in accordance with the standard IRS Blackberry

    configuration described above.

    9. As stated in my prior declaration, IRS IT inventory bar code tags are

    assigned to “whole” equipment and are not assigned to internal component parts such

    as hard drives. This is true of component parts even after they are removed from the

    equipment in which they were originally installed.

    10. When responding to requests for service from IRS employees, if an IRS IT

    Technical Specialist determines that a hard drive is not operating properly and needs to

    be removed from the user’s computer and replaced, the IT Technical Specialist normally

    takes appropriate actions to attempt to recover data from the hard drive at the location

    of the employee/user, and sometimes at another IRS location, but typically does not

    ship the hard drive to a third party to perform service on the hard drive.

    11. I have seen no IRS records indicating that the IRS IT division has ever

    sent any personal computer hard drives to any external vendors for service.

    12. Once an IRS IT Technical Specialist removes a broken hard drive from the

    user’s computer, replaces the hard drive with a new hard drive in the computer, and

    either recovers data or fails in their attempts to recover data, the broken hard drive is

    considered excess equipment and is batched with other miscellaneous equipment

    (equipment that does not contain inventory bar code tags) for degaussing and

    destruction. Because such equipment does not contain an IRS IT inventory bar code

    tag it cannot be individually tracked through the degaussing and destruction process.

    13. In accordance with IRS policy in effect at the time, magnetic media that

    potentially contained any confidential taxpayer information was required to be

    degaussed (a process described in my prior declaration). This includes, amongst other

    miscellaneous equipment, all hard drives removed from IRS users’ computers.

    14. Because the IRS does not apply IT barcode inventory tags to hard drives

    at the time they are placed into service nor when they are removed from computers and

    deemed excess, I am not aware of any IRS inventory system or other standard process

    to identify degaussed hard drives by the name of the IRS employee user from whose

    computer the hard drive was removed.

    15. Based upon discussions with IRS personnel in the functional area

    responsible for disposal of excess property including IT equipment (Real Estate and

    Financial Management within Agency Wide Shares Services), at the time surrounding

    the 2011 Lois Lerner hard drive failure, the IRS was party to a Memorandum of

    Understanding with Federal Prison Industries, Inc. Recycling Business Group (doing

    business as and hereinafter “UNICOR”) to handle the destruction of excess IT

    equipment located in the Washington, DC area. The point of contact for UNICOR on

    that Memorandum of Understanding is Todd Baldau, Deputy General Manager of

    UNICOR.

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed on this 22 day of August, 2014.

    STEPHEN MANNING

    Deputy Chief Information Officer

    Strategy and Modernization Internal Revenue Service Washington, D.C.

    ++++

    Case l:13-cv-01559-EGS Document 28-2 Filed 08/22/14

    DECLARATION OF THOMAS J. KANE

    I, Thomas J. Kane, pursuant to the provisions of 28 U.S.C. § 1746, declare and

    say:

    1. I am the Deputy Associate Chief Counsel for Procedure and

    Administration within the Office of Chief Counsel for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

    2. Since June 2013, my duties have included coordinating the IRS response

    to requests for information from four separate Congressional committees investigating

    the facts and circumstances related to the report of the Treasury Inspector General for

    Tax Administration dated May 14, 2013 titled “Inappropriate Criteria… .”

    3. Attached as Exhibit A is an IRS ITAMS Asset Information Sheet which

    reflects that on November 12, 2009, the IRS issued a Blackberry device, IRS Barcode

    A002914041, to Lois Lerner.

    4. Attached as Exhibit B is IRS Form 1933 and IRS Standard Form 120

    REV., which, when read together, reflect that the Blackberry device, IRS Barcode

    A002914041 (Line 69 of Form 120), was removed or wiped clean of any sensitive or

    proprietary information and removed as scrap for disposal in June 2012.

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed on this 22nd day of August, 2014.

    THOMAS J.KANE

    Deputy Associate Chief Counsel

    (Procedure and Administration)

    Office of Chief Counsel (IRS) Washington, DC

    ++++

    Ocr copy of court filings found on Pacer – Pacer pdf files are sometimes NOT text copyable without OCR transformations.

  • http://www.peoplesrepublicof.com DWAnderson

    Agreed. That is what I thought I was doing by leaving a comment on their site.

  • Jenni

    I have heard that statement before, perhaps it is in the transcripts of one of the hearings. You might want to do your own searches as I stated before, or contact the JW to lead to in the right direction.

  • Joe Force

    re …. Lose their Pension and 2. Spend 10 years in Leavenworth.

    Sorry – but pensions are vested and cannot be taken away except by a divorced spouse.
    leavenworh is not the proper place for white collar stuff, neither is supermax

    But club fed at Lompoc calif has nice digs, white fences, and amenities but somewhat foggy weather which helps the pretty flowers. Even if the perps were jailed, the 2015 december get out of jail free cards signed by Obuma have already been written up. But pity the poor janitor who got run over AFTER being thrown under the bus, cuz it was all his fault. He/she is Toast, and the key will somehow be missing..

  • http://www.peoplesrepublicof.com DWAnderson

    I am just asking for the source of the statement “Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.” It is not reflected in the 8/22 affidavits.

  • Jenni

    DWAnderson, do your own research: The declarations were provided after close of business on Friday, August 22.

  • morefandave

    If you read all those Amendments, you would discover that the Fifth Amendment is the only one that mentions self-incrimination.

  • morefandave

    I am shocked, shocked that the acknowledgement that they exist came on a Friday afternoon..

  • morefandave

    I’ll bet they will pursuant to a District Court judge order-or somebody will be writing the appeal from the order in his or her jail cell.

  • morefandave

    After all the lies, the “too onerous to search” excuse isn’t gonna fly. If you’re gonna make that argument, you don’t make it after you’ve already spent more time, energy and money concocting all the lies than if you’d just gotten to work retrieving the e-mails.

  • morefandave

    It’s not a business when it comes to the administration; it’s a love fest. They wouldn’t report it if Obama got caught molesting a kid.

  • morefandave

    If you’re waiting for the House to act, don’t hold your breath. Those in charge of the majority party couldn’t find their balls with a microscope. On the other hand, I expect the judge to be a little more prompt and to the point.

  • morefandave

    If this is diligently pursued, I believe the results that are turned up, coupled with all the lies that have been told, will make a compelling case for appointment of a special prosecutor. The chief law enforcement officer may well be implicated, so the conflict of interest is inherent and incurable.

  • morefandave

    If I were the judge, I’d tell the DOJ that the “too onerous” ship sailed when they started lying about the existence of the e-mails and give them the choice of retrieving the e-mails from where they are located or from their jail cells.

  • Computer User

    Just once I want to hear Issa ,Gowdy or Jordan say Mr. Sargent at Arms…LOCK EM UP now please.

  • Ticobird

    That doesn’t matter. See my post above and please post a reply if you have any questions. I’ll stick around a while longer.

  • Ticobird

    As many have already stated, email (any government email and most all large corporations email) is stored on a computer server. This server is or should be backed up nightly. The temporary storage medium is or should be rotated according to a schedule. This storage medium rotation includes or should include an off site location in case of disaster.

    Note that the preceding paragraph included nothing about a typical recipients personal email computer (desktop, laptop, tablet or smartphone [Blackberry in this case]). That’s because it is irrelevant. This is what disturbs me the most. There are people (employees) whose job it is to perform these duties. As a matter of fact the duties are shared among various overlapping jobs and people. The people (employees) who have been absent in these investigative proceedings bothers me to no end. Who the hell is running this dog and pony show? Why is it so transparent to the technical support segment and yet the technical protocol is not being brought forward by the management and judicial segments?

  • Honked OFF

    I have made the offer before: Any odds on how many of those missing emails implicate Dear Leader?

    How ’bout it proglodytes?

  • Redduke

    “The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.” I guess they don’t know how to do an advanced search with a few wildcards. No wonder this administration is inept.

  • Redduke

    arrest and impeach all administration personnel who lied to Congress.

  • Sheba3

    It will turn out that these E-Mails found will show that there was not a smidgen of scandal. Does anyone believe that they will turn over everything they had or just what they claim they founf

  • maxwell_brown

    lois lerner was required to make copies of her emails……and file them…..the govt has plenty of file cabinets…

  • whoisjohngalt58

    It would be pretty simple to get every ounce of crap attached to the hag Lerner via a few simple steps from the Exchange Server.
    I know by law the archival requirements of governmental agencies require indefinite retention of all email conversations that are send through government servers. If she used an offsite email account she is in clear violation of their own published agency email protocol. (but that can be recovered as well)

    Seriously, Lerner, Koskinen, and ANYONE she communicated with (Cummings) and anyone in the Whitehouse involved in the targeting need to 1. Lose their Pension and 2. Spend 10 years in Leavenworth.

  • whoisjohngalt58

    the administration and Koskinen need to all be getting their asses packed by Bubba at Leavenworth.

  • SSpeedracer

    I’m speaking for literally every American when I say this. We’ve all know that the emails were on the server since the beginning. We’ve all known that the emails on the computer hard drive and blackberry cell phone were intentionally destroyed. The only thing we don’t know is how high up the emails go. We don’t know if our government will prosecute itself.

  • Buck Sunset

    My bet is you have Brown Eyes! You are so full of it!

  • Buck Sunset

    You are making it up as you go, as most Liberals do, and call everything else propaganda. As for your “too dumb” comment, I work at avoiding getting into a grunting match with a hog!

  • MissyT111

    All human resource and legal professionals in corporations know the backup is there………..it’s subpoenaed in many EEOC proceedings and employment issues. It was there, it was always there and everyone knew it was there; they were just trying to get away with more hoping to get people to let go of this issue.

  • Yadja

    Anyone with half a brain knew that those emails were retrievable. My computer crashed once and my youngest son was able to save everything. Now I know that there are not many in O’s administration or agencies that have the brains of my youngest son, but somebody, somewhere has known this all along.

    It won’t look good for upcoming elections, nothing will come out until O is out of office or if it does come out it will be like pulling teeth from a chicken.

  • MissyT111

    Yes, yes, yes….all the technical people were right…in fact many non-technical in business knew this was BS….I hope the judge throws the book at them for lying to the court.

  • benhur

    Great point, bc! Are they complicit? That is always a strong possibility. But here is another thought. My work often involves training corporate customers in various IT technologies. The analysts and the clerical workers in the companies I have conducted training for often had far greater computer fluency than the principals in the company. Republican officials are the principals, and my guess is that they are simply computer illiterate, and they are too proud, busy, or stressed to go to grass roots IT people to find out what’s going on.

  • MaxVoltz

    P.S. I volunteer to write the SQL to find those e-mails!

  • MaxVoltz

    As a computer professional, I’ve been saying the same thing since the 1st lie/claim that the IRS made about a crashed hard drive as e-mail typically is stored on an external e-mail server, not a local hard drive. Smoke and mirrors designed to deceive a hopefully computer illiterate public until all the criminals have covered their tracks.

  • http://www.simplesurvival.us/ Cincinnatus

    I spent 23 years in the military. Not once did I see or hear of a requirement to print out or copy emails. What law or regulation requires this? Further, while I understand that government does some exceedingly stupid things where would they store all these copied emails?

  • Honked OFF

    Anything for Dear Leader, eh Smelly Granite?

    Just keep the narrative alive,one more day.

  • Honked OFF

    If it doesn’t fit the proglodyte agenda, it isn’t worth reporting.

  • SSMcDonald

    So WHEN is somebody going to JAIL for perjury and lying to Congress?

  • william the lesser

    All of your Amendment arguments are invalid as you attempt to liken the others to the 5th. The 5th directly relates to the possibility of guilt or incrimination. “The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution protects a person from being compelled to incriminate oneself.” None of the other amendments you cite have anything to do with avoiding self-incrimination.

  • http://www.peoplesrepublicof.com DWAnderson

    Where does the information in the first paragraph of the press release come from? It is not in the affidavits that the press release cites. If it is from a proceeding, please produce the transcript of the proceeding.

  • OdinsAcolyte

    Another lie. Otherwise the system would be useless.
    oh. Just like them.
    Never mind….

  • maxwell_brown

    many emails are required to be copied and filed ….lois lerners emails qualify as a person who was required to photo copy her emails…THAT IS WHY THE IRS OFFICE COPY MACHINE HAS THE COPIES STORED ON THE HARD DRIVE…GOOGLE COPIER HARD DRIVES AND SEE A STORY ABOUT ALL THE SPECIAL STUFF SAVED ON OFFICE COPIERS

  • Willy Thompson

    They are still trying to buy time until after the election in November, This is going to be the end of politics for a large group of people when the truth is known

  • pyrodice

    They’re probably trying to run the clock out on them, if that’s the case.

  • pyrodice

    Hunh, so not only should I be telling the IRS that I’ve lost all my tax information in a computer crash, I should also be telling them that I may have a backup, but it’s just too much of a bother for me to check through it… Well fellas, looks like no more faxes for THIS guy!

  • Super Genius

    Perhaps some portion of the IRS budget should be redirected to fund the effort to search the back-up system. Hopefully some funds would be left over after completion of such an onerous task.

  • schllac

    What difference does it make !!!!

  • bc

    You are absolutely correct. The backups have been available all along. There is a REALLY big question though. Why have Republicans gone along with the transparent lie that emails were EVER on local hard drives? They either are complicit, or they have a big surprise coming. I’m guessing option 1.

  • P dot

    Why do weak news divisions like CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times, Wash Post waste hundreds $ millions on salaries if they refuse to report? It make no sense as a business.

  • creeper

    Is this the John Holliday who flies control line airplanes?

  • creeper

    Or at least share. Maybe then what he wrote would make sense.

  • Computer User

    Some folks should already be in jail over this.

  • creeper

    You’re kidding? The NSA can record and store every damn phone conversation we make but the IRS has to re-use hard drive storage?

    Give me a break.

  • Computer User

    As of the close of business on Fridays announcement the IRS and Justice departments have nothing further they can say that can be believed so IMMEDIATELY DEFUND any and all activities. They are not credible to speak to anything anymore.

  • creeper

    Stop injecting reality into the situation! They don’t want to retrieve those e-mails and, short of a SCOTUS order, they will not.

  • 1crappie2

    I just checked and the tooth fairy left some poop.

  • 1crappie2

    Why do you use singular?

  • 1crappie2

    They just told us. They ( the emperor crowds) will do nothing because they are really to difficult to use to retrieve info. Believe that and I’ll sell you a diet pill that works only in ice-cream sundaes.

  • 1crappie2

    “The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.”
    Why then the charade of backing all records up if you can’t reasonably search them?
    Never mind America’s leftists–we all know the answer.

  • Rodney

    Yes, yes, how 21st Century ignorant American of YOU meltedbrain. You see the typical modern American (such as yourself) is NOT educated after spending 12-20 years in the American Brainwashing and Propaganda Mill (which unfortunately is referred to as our “educational system”). No, instead of learning boring things like reading, writing, mathematics and HISTORY (including the Constitution of the United States, the Declaration of Independence and the miscellaneous Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers) they learn to stroke their feelings and expound ideals of “equality and fairness”. Well, if you weren’t a stupid and ignorant left-wing liberal moron you’d realize that the government EMPLOYEES (read: unelected bureaucrats) who “lost” those emails were aiding and abetting a massive criminal conspiracy resulting in a tyranny that the founding fathers of this nation designed our government to prevent. Yes, in an educated and informed United States operating under the Constitution, they WOULD be accused, arrested, put on trial by a jury, convicted and executed for treason against the citizens of the United States.

  • seanmahair

    What planet do you live on because following your line of “thought” is almost an impossibility. The government LIED. Not a surprise as this criminal administration has lied about practically everything. Beside that, ad hominem attacks only prove that one has no real point, it’s all progressive-like smoke and mirrors. Have a blessed day.

  • http://mcwilliamsriverhome.com Indian Andy

    Arrested, jailed, then deported.

  • http://mcwilliamsriverhome.com Indian Andy

    I knew this. They’re all backed up, in case of some catastrophe. But what are they gonna do about it?

  • George Hayduke

    Another useful idiot who only respects the 1st Amendment when it conforms to his train of thought and bias. Your kind created the Un-Constitional Free Speech Zones that we see today.

    I bet you jumped up and down when Big Oil Bush signed the Patriot Act, but stuck your head in the sand like most of the Kings of Hypocrisy, the Left, did, when Obama expanded and re-signed it.

    Bet you were also silent when Holder ran guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels without the knowledge of the Mexican Gov., guns which are killing people as I write this. Crickets.

    Just like you spamming, straw-man-ing and trolling this thread to take away focus from a REAL criminal act of this Government. Despicable. And you have the nerve to call out others.

    We 3rd Party Anti Status Quo, called Bush and the GOP on their crimes, so you can bet your hypocrite ass, we gonna call you Obama Fluffers and the traitors in the Democrat party out too.

    Now STFU and let the Adults converse.over this crime that you are trying to down play.

  • savagenation

    top keywords to find the emails in those huge backups:

    Martha’s Vineyard, Golf, Vacation, Hawaiian Ice, Note to Self: Repeal 22nd before 11/2015

  • savagenation

    America needed some Government flunky to tell us they back up everything? The NSA has admitted it RECORDS EVERYTHING flowing on the internet.
    Now as to why they aren’t releasing the emails…which would certainly point to officials well above little Lois?

    They still remember from the Clintong era that bad things often happen to people who might, or are about to squeal…suicides, plane crashes, heart attacks. Nobody wants to relive those days.

  • AWCheney

    Somebody should be going to jail for this.

  • ken345

    It should take less than half a day to write the search query and then who cares how long it will take because it will be computers doing the searching.

  • http://www.simplesurvival.us/ Cincinnatus

    One problem, email is not composed or sent over office copiers. The emails are there and able to be recovered, just not from the copiers.

  • http://www.simplesurvival.us/ Cincinnatus

    I know this. I have a degree in IT. What irritates me the most is that so many people swallow the admin position hook, line, and sinker.

    Backups are kept for disaster recovery. In fact, the government is required to keep multiple backups at different locations, both on- and offsite. The only thing I don’t know is how long the IRS archives such traffic. Mundane traffic is only backed up for 6-12 months and then the storage medium is re-used. Given that the IRS acknowledges that the backups exist it should be a simple task of designing a search algorithm that will pull everything sent or received by Lerner. It may be time-consuming but it is easily doable.

  • Wayne Wilhelm

    It isn’t too hard to search backups. It is time consuming. Obama doesn’t want the emails released so he’s looking for any excuse he can find, claiming it will cost too much to recover the emails (though please note: The IRS has not stated what it will cost.)

  • Fnord_Farseer

    I don’t work in IT, and even *I* know that. How stupid do they thing we are? Very, from the looks of it. What you say it totally correct. I mean, even the original statement about a crashed HDD didn’t hold any water (unless the physical HDD “disappeared”); there are recovery services that do that kind of job routinely and relatively cheap. Baldfaced lies from people who think there will be no repercussions to them.

  • Wayne Wilhelm

    If any American conservative organization utilized the same backup system as the IRS and the Eric Holder (DOJ) needed to recover your email files embedded in that backup system, you can rest assured Holder would do whatever was necessary to ensure the recovery of those email files with prejudice.
    Too onerous to recover the IRS email from the backup systems? That only means Obama doesn’t want to authorize the extra manpower it would take to obtain Lois Lerner’s email files. Having spent over 4 decades working with business computer networks, I’m quite familiar with the requirement. Obama’s only complaint is that he can’t use executive power to prevent the release of Lois Lerner’s emails.

    Obama is thrilled to spend half a Billion dollars developing a website for ACA (Affordable Care Act) which should have cost less than 50 Million to develop but throws a fit if it costs him a few dollars to retrieve Lois Lerner’s emails.

  • Joe Force

    Uhh melting granite hasn’t read the declaration either or is deliberately mis stating them –

    1. I am currently employed by the Internal Revenue Service in the

    Information Technology business unit. I have been employed by the Internal Revenue

    Service in a variety of positions of increasing responsibility since 2009.

    2. My current position is Deputy Chief Information Officer for Strategy &

    Modernization, in which capacity i oversee, amongst other organizations, the User and

    Network Services organization in Information Technology (IT).

    3. I have been in my current position since May of 2013. During the time

    period of June – September of 2011, my position at the Internal Revenue Service was

    Associate Chief Information Officer, Enterprise Networks.

    4. According to IRS IT inventory reports, the equipment assigned to Ms.

    Lerner with data storage capability, both at the time her electronic data was collected for

    response to the Congressional investigations and at the time of the hard drive failure in

    2011, was a laptop and a Blackberry device. According to the same IT inventory

    reports, the IRS did not issue an iPhone or iPad to Lois Lerner.

    5. There is no record of any attempt by any IRS IT employee to recover data

    from any Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner in response to the Congressional

    investigations or this litigation.

    6. The Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner at the time of her departure

    from the IRS (which, according to IRS IT inventory reports, had been issued to her on

    February 14, 2012) is in the possession of the office of the Treasury Inspector General

    for Tax Administration. According to IRS records, that office took possession of the

    device on June 10, 2013.

    7. In the standard IRS configuration of Blackberry devices, the Blackberry

    device displays and stores only email (both sent and received) that is also stored in the

    Microsoft Outlook mailbox of the assigned user, with the possible exception of draft

    messages created on the Blackberry but not sent, which would appear on the

    Blackberry only. Therefore, standard IRS practice and policy in the collection of

    electronic data does not include collecting data from Blackberry devices because the

    email of a Blackberry user is collected through the process of collecting the contents of

    the user’s Outlook mailbox files.

    8. I have seen no IRS record indicating that the Blackberry assigned to Lois

    Lerner was configured other than in accordance with the standard IRS Blackberry

    configuration described above.

    9. As stated in my prior declaration, IRS IT inventory bar code tags are

    assigned to “whole” equipment and are not assigned to internal component parts such

    as hard drives. This is true of component parts even after they are removed from the

    equipment in which they were originally installed.

    10. When responding to requests for service from IRS employees, if an IRS IT

    Technical Specialist determines that a hard drive is not operating properly and needs to

    be removed from the user’s computer and replaced, the IT Technical Specialist normally

    takes appropriate actions to attempt to recover data from the hard drive at the location

    of the employee/user, and sometimes at another IRS location, but typically does not

    ship the hard drive to a third party to perform service on the hard drive.

    11. I have seen no IRS records indicating that the IRS IT division has ever

    sent any personal computer hard drives to any external vendors for service.

    12. Once an IRS IT Technical Specialist removes a broken hard drive from the

    user’s computer, replaces the hard drive with a new hard drive in the computer, and

    either recovers data or fails in their attempts to recover data, the broken hard drive is

    considered excess equipment and is batched with other miscellaneous equipment

    (equipment that does not contain inventory bar code tags) for degaussing and

    destruction. Because such equipment does not contain an IRS IT inventory bar code

    tag it cannot be individually tracked through the degaussing and destruction process.

    13. In accordance with IRS policy in effect at the time, magnetic media that

    potentially contained any confidential taxpayer information was required to be

    degaussed (a process described in my prior declaration). This includes, amongst other

    miscellaneous equipment, all hard drives removed from IRS users’ computers.

    14. Because the IRS does not apply IT barcode inventory tags to hard drives

    at the time they are placed into service nor when they are removed from computers and

    deemed excess, I am not aware of any IRS inventory system or other standard process

    to identify degaussed hard drives by the name of the IRS employee user from whose

    computer the hard drive was removed.

    15. Based upon discussions with IRS personnel in the functional area

    responsible for disposal of excess property including IT equipment (Real Estate and

    Financial Management within Agency Wide Shares Services), at the time surrounding

    the 2011 Lois Lerner hard drive failure, the IRS was party to a Memorandum of

    Understanding with Federal Prison Industries, Inc. Recycling Business Group (doing

    business as and hereinafter “UNICOR”) to handle the destruction of excess IT

    equipment located in the Washington, DC area. The point of contact for UNICOR on

    that Memorandum of Understanding is Todd Baldau, Deputy General Manager of

    UNICOR.

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed on this 22 day of August, 2014.

    STEPHEN MANNING

    Deputy Chief Information Officer

    Strategy and Modernization Internal Revenue Service Washington, D.C.

  • Joe Force

    Beeep beepp BS detector …. re blackberry issue
    >>>>>>.” saying basically that, “Those emails wouldn’t have been stored on the Blackberry, anyway.” >>>

    5. There is no record of any attempt by any IRS IT employee to recover data

    from any Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner in response to the Congressional

    investigations or this litigation.

    6. The Blackberry device assigned to Lois Lerner at the time of her departure

    from the IRS (which, according to IRS IT inventory reports, had been issued to her on

    February 14, 2012) is in the possession of the office of the Treasury Inspector General

    for Tax Administration. According to IRS records, that office took possession of the

    device on June 10, 2013.

    7. In the standard IRS configuration of Blackberry devices, the Blackberry

    device displays and stores only email (both sent and received) that is also stored in the

    Microsoft Outlook mailbox of the assigned user, with the possible exception of draft

    messages created on the Blackberry but not sent, which would appear on the

    Blackberry only. Therefore, standard IRS practice and policy in the collection of

    electronic data does not include collecting data from Blackberry devices because the

    email of a Blackberry user is collected through the process of collecting the contents of

    the user’s Outlook mailbox files.

    *******That was NOT the blackberry that was destroyed in 2012 – no reason given ******
    3. Attached as Exhibit A is an IRS ITAMS Asset Information Sheet which

    reflects that on November 12, 2009, the IRS issued a Blackberry device, IRS Barcode

    A002914041, to Lois Lerner.

    4. Attached as Exhibit B is IRS Form 1933 and IRS Standard Form 120

    REV., which, when read together, reflect that the Blackberry device, IRS Barcode

    A002914041 (Line 69 of Form 120), was removed or wiped clean of any sensitive or

    proprietary information and removed as scrap for disposal in June 2012.

    I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed on this 22nd day of August, 2014.

    THOMAS J.KANE

    Deputy Associate Chief Counsel

    (Procedure and Administration)

    Office of Chief Counsel (IRS) Washington, DC

  • http://www.simplesurvival.us/ Cincinnatus

    If it is too hard to search the backup, why is it kept?

  • Kathleen Pratt Cox

    HA HA!! Don’t you know it.. That’s all they KNOW to do..
    How does one criticize FACTS??
    Ignorance is Bliss!!

  • Steve Knepp

    Why is it you’re so devoted to the Indonesian prince with three Muslim names, he whose college records have been sealed by Saull Alinsky money? Could it be because he was actually at Columbia on an Indonesian passport as a foreign exchange student? Oh , he has the right not to have his records scrutinized right? But the left had no problems finding GWB’s college transcripts to make him look like an idiot, although he provided al the help they needed. So in vociferously defending the left, what is your angle? You must have something to hide with such a tough guy pseudonym. Use your real name feline. Go eat some cat food.

  • benhur

    Yes and the troll has been drinking too much NPR Kool-Aid tonight, so be aware it is retching and excreting liberal nonsense all over the place.

  • Kathleen Pratt Cox

    THERE IS A DAMN TROLL IN THE CROWD FOLKS.. SOUNDS LIKE A ‘KNOW-IT-ALL’ NARCICIST!!

  • benhur

    I work in IT, and backups are date and time stamped (unless they were backed up by Mickey Mouse – he had big ears too, right?), so it is not a problem to find those emails in the backup archives. That is another lie. Besides, it you can’t find a backup, then why back it up in the first place? You know, their lies are so pathetically transparent, it would be funny watching these idiots in the White House scramble to protect themselves if the consequences of having such corruption in this administration weren’t so severe to the American people.

  • TBird

    Thank God they aren’t like you

  • Steve Knepp

    And the right wing is any different than the left? This is why I’m a Libertarian. I believe neither of them.

  • Steve Knepp

    I haven’t been following this story too closely because I never believed the IRS story in the first place. Anyone who believes the sudden disappearance of emails and damaged hard drives knows little to nothing about technology, especially deployed within the US Govt. There is zero possibility there was no redundancy within the mail servers and archive systems, and the fallacy of how hard disks became damaged is implausible. Anyone who believes the IRS accounts needs to check under their pillow to see if the tooth fairy visited.

  • TBird

    I don’t know what dope you are smoking, but buddy slow down its making you look stupid

  • NamVet69

    hide my ass…we know where you hide the good stuff….Lying to the American people again and again is odorous…using government agencies against the american people and your political enemies is tyranny. you should be run out of town on a rail …most likely you go down as impeached. good riddance…I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

  • Melting Granite

    Another True American, standing up for the American way and the rule of law!

    No, nothing at all unAmerican about advocating the execution of federal employees over missing emails. Nothing unAmerican about that at all!

  • Melting Granite

    How American of you! If the emails are found, you advocate having members of our government executed. Typical rightwing dolt who can’t think or read anything for himself. It’s sad that people like you are even part of this country.

  • Honked OFF

    Something is rotten in Denmark………and it ain’t the fish, methinks.

    Just the admission that the emails do, indeed, exist, should be enough to have a couple of Our Dear Leader’s lackeys, fitted for jump suits.

  • Buck Sunset

    There are liars, DAMN liars and GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS!

  • David Mills

    It appears I know where the JV team actually is…

  • Lou Cerny

    Bullets are faster, cheaper and I would love to take the shot, no need for blanks in other guns.

  • Lou Cerny

    Agreed, I know it is a crime to talk about the K….G of the president, but still surprised someone has not yet took a long range shot at him and the rest of his lying, racist circus. Treason is what Right should be taking them to court for. Firing squads are still the preferred way to deal with with his crimes, and he deserves no better.

  • Neils Clausen

    There has to be at least 5000 layed off IT professionals that would volunteer to get the emails off the backup.
    But, if they say it’s complicated, it isn’t, guaranteed!! Get ‘em JW!!
    Email system backups are a snap, even if you are a government.

  • Art69z

    I still go back to my original question? If someone claims they have done no wrong, why are they invoking their 5th amendment right?
    I can only surmise, that Lois Learner was following orders form above her pay grade. And she is invoking the 5th amendment to protect that or those individuals. That is not what the 5th amendment was intended to do. It was to protect oneself, not others.

  • maxwell_brown

    there are copies on the irs office copier hard drive….the office copiers save a copy of every document ever copied on it….go get those hard drives from every agency…….real easy to recover every email..

  • Rodney

    A noose around their necks would be more appropriate.

  • Rodney

    “Clean” the agency? Hell, it should be ELIMINATED (and so should some of the upper management).

  • Rodney

    Like I am really surprised that the oblahblah administration would lie to us. Geez, isn’t this the most deviant, immoral, discriminatory, racist, dishonest, disgusting, rogue administration in this nation’s history? They should ALL be arrested, tried and executed (from they lying Kenyan on down).

  • Gidge713

    If these e mails are found, I think the smirky smile on Kostigans face will be gone. He should also go to jail along with Lerner and the HHS and people from CMS who lied about Obamacare. Oh yes, we must add Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others.

  • Connie

    This is really serious when the agency that has so much control over our lives is corrupt and cannot be trusted. We absolutely must send the lying and cheating individuals to jail. We also must clean that whole agency out from top to bottom. I wouldn’t normally say that but those subordinates have not come forward, so all I can assume is they are all partisan and corrupt.

  • Dawn Street

    What about the Congressional investigation and requests/demands for the emails?

  • GaylePutt

    If it’s an onerous job, they’d better get started on it.

  • souphands

    It’s not, of course. But I for one am going to take this opportunity to be outraged anyway.

  • johnholliday

    Lie, lie, lie. This rotten stinking administration has to go

  • ExRepug

    The testimony on June 23 before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform was that the email servers were backed up for catastrophic system-wide recovery but that it was too expensive in 2011 to search the tapes, even if they still existed (rather than being recycled every six months). So how is this a new revelation?

  • Jim Sanders

    surprise – surprise

  • finnegan

    Depends on what the definition of “we” and “have” is… are… is…

    Not shockingly I’m not shocked by any of this.

  • Morris Minor

    I think the “sworn” IRS statements go something like this: “FU, We don’t have them”. And technically they might have an argument.