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1 Q Did you have to go through another
2 background check?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Who interviewed you for that one?
5 The FBI?
6 A The FBI interviewed me, yes.
7 Q What agent?
8 A Tom Block. I don't know how to
9 spell his last name.
10 Q Tom Block? How is that spelled?
11 A I don't know.
12 Q Is he still with the FBI?
13 A I don't know.
14 Q And you say there was an interim
15 period?
16 A Correct.
17 Q What was happening during the
18 interim period?
19 A I stopped working in George's
20 office in May '96. That's when I told you
21 that I temped, temped until I could start
22 working on the campaign, worked on the
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1 campaign, I believe, towards the end of
2 August through mid-October and mid-October I
3 left and I went to England, where I was a
4 visiting student, stayed there until the end
5 of -- end of May.
6 Came back, I worked as an intern
7 again for the summer and it was in the summer
8 that I learned that Paul was coming back and
9 I asked Paul, if he needed an assistant, to
10 consider me. And at the end of my internship
11 there and -- I also stayed on there to do
12 some staff work until I could actually start
13 working at the White House, then I -- in
14 September I began at the White House.
15 Q Have you ever met Vernon Jordan?
16 A Yes, I have.
17 Q When did you meet him?
18 A I don't remember exactly when we
19 first met.
20 Q You met him several times?
21 A Yes, I have.
22 Q Under what circumstances?
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1 A Business and personal.
2 Q What was the nature --
3 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection for the
4 record to the relevancy.
5 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
6 Q Well, what's the nature of the
7 business?
8 MS. SHAPIRO: Can you tell me for
9 the record what the relevance is?
10 MR. KLAYMAN: No, because I don't
11 want to give the witness the answers.
12 MS. SHAPIRO: Is it connected to
13 the FBI files matter?
14 MR. KLAYMAN: Please don't
15 interrupt and don't harass me, please.
16 Certify this.
17 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
18 Q What was the nature of the
19 professional?
20 A On occasion he came in to visit
21 with George.
22 Q Do you know why he came in to visit
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1 with George?
2 A No, I do not.
3 Q Where was your desk in comparison
4 to George's desk? Was it in the same office?
5 A It ranged. My first summer there,
6 I was in an office in the Old Executive
7 Office Building, but after that summer -- in
8 George's offices, there's his office, then
9 there's the room in front of it and his
10 assistant sat in the seat that was closest to
11 his office and then the intern or volunteer
12 or whoever was helping the assistant sat in
13 the other seat and I sat in that seat
14 primarily. On occasion I would substitute
15 for his assistant and I would sit in the
16 assistant's seat, but there was never any
17 time I actually was sitting in George's
18 office.
19 Q But you've overheard conversations
20 between George and Vernon Jordan?
21 A No, I have not.
22 Q And you say you've seen him
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1 personally. How so?
2 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
3 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
4 Q You can respond.
5 A I've seen him. I've -- he's
6 offered me counsel in the past. I have, I
7 have -- I consider him a friend.
8 Q What did he counsel?
9 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. Can you
10 please tie this up to the relevance.
11 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
12 Q You can respond.
13 MS. SHAPIRO: I really think that
14 this is an improper pursuit pursued for an
15 improper purpose.
16 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
17 Q Did he offer counsel on whether you
18 should tell the truth at depositions?
19 A No, he did not.
20 Q Did he offer you counsel on getting
21 you a job?
22 A Vaguely.
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1 Q When was that?
2 A A couple of years ago. I was -- I
3 believe we had talked about it in '95.
4 Q You talked about it recently,
5 didn't you?
6 A No.
7 Q You talked about it after you found
8 out you were going to be deposed in this
9 case, didn't you?
10 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. That is
11 not her testimony. You're just harassing
12 her.
13 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
14 Q You can respond.
15 A But for the record I would like to
16 state no.
17 Q You say you're friends. You have
18 gone out socially with Mr. Vernon Jordan?
19 You can respond. You can respond.
20 MS. SHAPIRO: Can we take a break
21 for a moment?
22 MR. KLAYMAN: I want her to answer
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1 this question. We'll take a break --
2 MS. SHAPIRO: We'll take a break
3 now.
4 MR. KLAYMAN: All right, over my
5 objection. Certify it.
6 THE VIDEO SPECIALIST: Off video
7 record at 11:42.
8 (Recess)
9 THE VIDEO SPECIALIST: We're back
10 on video record at 11:54.
11 MS. SHAPIRO: Can you, Mr. Klayman
12 make a proffer on relevancy of this question?
13 MR. KLAYMAN: The proffer of
14 relevancy is that there has been reported if
15 not demonstrated conduct that Vernon Jordan
16 has allegedly engaged in witness tampering.
17 That's the relevancy among other areas, but
18 that's as far as I'm going to go, but that's
19 enough certainly to allow me to ask these
20 questions.
21 MS. SHAPIRO: And how does that
22 relate to this matter?
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1 MR. KLAYMAN: I think you know,
2 Ms. Shapiro, you're a pretty bright woman.
3 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
4 Q Now, Ms. Parker?
5 A Uh-huh.
6 MR. KLAYMAN: Can you read back the
7 last question before we convened this
8 deposition?
9 (The reporter read the record as
10 requested.)
11 THE WITNESS: Either once or twice,
12 we've gone out to lunch, and there were two
13 or three times we've gone out to dinner.
14 Q Was anybody with you when you went
15 out to dinner with him?
16 A No.
17 Q Was anybody with you when you went
18 out to lunch?
19 A No.
20 Q During the times that you went out
21 to dinner, when was that?
22 A I don't remember exactly when, but
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1 it's been over -- over the last three to four
2 years. The last time -- I'm trying to think
3 of when the last time was. I haven't seen
4 him -- the last time I remember seeing him
5 was during the inaugural last year.
6 Q Have you talked to him since then?
7 A A few times, yes.
8 Q When did you talk to him?
9 A The last time I spoke with him was
10 last year at the -- I had already started in
11 the White House. I don't remember exactly
12 when.
13 Q At the time that you went out to
14 dinner with him and went out to lunch with
15 him, were you in any way asked to be a
16 witness in any legal proceeding?
17 A No.
18 Q Did he ever offer to get you a job?
19 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. She's
20 testified as to the things that would matter
21 to your proffer or relevancy.
22 MR. KLAYMAN: I don't want to give
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1 her the answers to all my questions.
2 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
3 Q Did he ever offer to get you a job?
4 A He's never offered to get me a job.
5 Q Has he ever assisted you in getting
6 a job in any way, however small?
7 A I remember he kind of tried to help
8 me figure out what I'd be interested in
9 doing. But he -- I'm not aware of any phone
10 calls he's ever placed on my behalf or any
11 actions he's done on my behalf to assist me
12 in getting a job.
13 Q Before your deposition today, are
14 you aware that Judicial Watch had maintained
15 that FBI files may be used by the White House
16 or its allies to try to intimidate Clinton
17 adversaries so they don't look into the
18 Monica Lewinski matter among others? Are you
19 aware that Judicial Watch has taken this
20 position in this lawsuit?
21 A No, I'm not.
22 MR. KLAYMAN: Can I ask that we
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1 don't have a lot of talking here? It's
2 distracting.
3 MS. SHAPIRO: I'm going to object
4 because I think it was inadvertent on your
5 part. When you said Monica Lewinski, didn't
6 you mean FBI files matter?
7 MR. KLAYMAN: No, I meant Monica
8 Lewinski.
9 MS. SHAPIRO: You're saying your
10 lawsuit's about Monica Lewinski?
11 MR. KLAYMAN: No, what I'm saying
12 is that there is a strategy, perhaps, to use
13 FBI files to intimidate anyone who questions
14 this administration with regard to any
15 scandal.
16 MS. SHAPIRO: I haven't seen that
17 in the complaint.
18 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
19 Q Are you aware of that?
20 A I am now aware of it.
21 Q Well, we'll give you second copies
22 if you'd like.
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1 Is there anybody else that you've
2 worked with at the White House who have gone
3 out to dinner with Vernon Jordan?
4 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection, again to
5 relevancy.
6 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
7 Q You can respond.
8 A You asked me lunch or dinner?
9 Q Dinner.
10 A Personally, I don't know. I'm sure
11 there are plenty of other people who have.
12 Q But you don't know?
13 A I don't know.
14 Q Anybody who's gone out to lunch
15 with Mr. Jordan that you know?
16 A Yes -- wait, I have to change
17 something because now I remember being at
18 lunch and at the table was Mr. Bowles and
19 Ms. Leslie Gordon, and other people kind of
20 came up and came out, but this was a lunch
21 during an -- during one of the debate preps
22 last year.
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1 Q I'm talking about recently. Do you
2 know of anybody who has gone out to lunch or
3 dinner with Mr. Jordon?
4 A No, I do not.
5 MS. SHAPIRO: I'm going to object
6 at this point and I'm going to instruct the
7 witness not to answer because this is so
8 wholly irrelevant and there is absolutely no
9 connection between this and anything and I
10 think we should call the judge's chambers are
11 right now.
12 MR. KLAYMAN: In fact. That was my
13 last question for the time being, so I'm just
14 trying to find out whether Mr. Jordan has
15 played any role with regard to individuals
16 who have provided or may provide testimony in
17 this case and there is a demonstrated --
18 MS. SHAPIRO: She testified to her
19 last conversation with Mr. Jordan.
20 MR. KLAYMAN: There is a
21 demonstrated public record of Mr. Vernon
22 Jordan's involvement with witnesses in legal
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1 proceedings.
2 MS. SHAPIRO: Well, that's no basis
3 for anything.
4 MR. KLAYMAN: It's an excellent
5 basis.
6 MS. SHAPIRO: And I'm happy to go
7 call the judge right now.
8 MR. KLAYMAN: And I said I was
9 finished with this line of questioning.
10 MS. SHAPIRO: That's fine, but I
11 will note that this whole like of questioning
12 will become before the judge near the very
13 future.
14 MR. KLAYMAN: That's fine. I
15 welcome that. And I welcome your behavior in
16 coming in front of the judge because that
17 will be placed squarely in front of the
18 judge.
19 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
20 Q Now, during the time that you
21 worked for George Stephanopoulos, I take it
22 you left working for him when he left the
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1 White House to go outside; is that why you
2 left?
3 A No.
4 Q Why did you leave?
5 A I left because I wanted a paying
6 job.
7 Q Was it around the time that he was
8 leaving?
9 A It didn't correspond with the
10 times.
11 Q It did not?
12 A No.
13 Q And what is your current title?
14 What's your official title right now?
15 A Special assistant to the counselor
16 to the President.
17 Q And what are your duties and
18 responsibilities as special assistant?
19 A I manage the flow of paper in and
20 out of the office, I answer the phones, take
21 care of the phone messages. I draft
22 correspondence on occasion, I draft memos on
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1 occasion, I do small projects, I do what I
2 need to do to keep the office running.
3 Q Does Paul Begala sometimes tell you
4 I want a letter written on such and such a
5 subject, please write it for me?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And what types of subjects does he
8 ask you to write letters on?
9 A Usually it's a thank you for
10 someone's card or notes, or if someone sent
11 something, you know. And if this person
12 deserves more than a cursory thank you note.
13 Q Have you ever done radio or TV
14 appearances?
15 A No, I have not. I mean, define
16 what you mean by that.
17 Q Have you ever been on any
18 television shows?
19 A I've never been booked for a
20 television show, no.
21 Q You ever been on any?
22 A On a few past occasions, I, I have
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1 been interviewed, and that interview has been
2 on the news.
3 Q And what were those occasions?
4 A I mean, I remember once when I was
5 in high school --
6 Q I'm talking with regard to the
7 White House?
8 A No.
9 Q Never been on a show called the
10 "Young Bloods"?
11 A I'm not aware of that show.
12 Q Is there a filing system in the
13 office where you keep Mr. Begala's
14 correspondence and your correspondence? Is
15 there a filing system where you keep notes
16 and those kinds of things?
17 A No.
18 Q You do store notes, though; don't
19 you?
20 A What kind of notes?
21 Q Any notes.
22 A I don't systematically store notes.
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1 I have a couple of old note pads that there
2 are things, sometimes when people call in,
3 I've put those things down so I can put them
4 in the computer, but there's nothing that is
5 -- that I could systematically go back and,
6 say, and look at it. I just happen to keep
7 them because I haven't put those numbers in
8 my computer Rolodex yet.
9 Q Now Paul keeps notes; doesn't he?
10 A He does -- no.
11 Q Sometimes?
12 A Sometimes, I have placed those
13 notes in a file for him. But usually when
14 he's through with his notes, he disposes of
15 them through.
16 Q When did you place notes in the
17 file for him?
18 A I only remember doing it once,
19 because he was working off of several note
20 pads, and I was trying to make it more
21 organized for him. But I only remember doing
22 that once, and I don't remember exactly when
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1 I did it.
2 Q It was recently; wasn't it?
3 A Uh-uh.
4 Q Has anybody done dictation in the
5 office with dictation equipment?
6 A No.
7 Q Is there any type of video of any
8 conversations, or meetings, or anything like
9 that in your office?
10 A No.
11 Q Have you ever met anyone by the
12 name of Eric Burrman?
13 A I don't know if Mr. Burrman and I
14 have ever met, but I remember taking his
15 calls, and during any duties an intern in
16 George's office and also -- I think he has
17 called occasionally in Paul's office.
18 Q And do you know why he called?
19 A No, I don't recall.
20 Q He does research; doesn't he?
21 A I think at one time he did
22 research.
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1 Q How do you know that?
2 A I think it's something I figured
3 out over my time as an intern in George's
4 office.
5 Q How did you figure that out?
6 A I don't remember exactly. I may
7 have overheard someone saying it. I called
8 information and lots of strange ways. I
9 don't know.
10 Q Now getting back to this research
11 office. They work sometimes, to the best of
12 your knowledge, with Sydney Blumenthal as
13 well; don't they?
14 A I can't verify that.
15 Q I didn't ask you to verify it. I
16 just asked you to say what you know.
17 A I don't know.
18 Q Inside the White House, is there
19 another office that provides research?
20 A I mean, one can go to the library
21 and ask for things to be retrieved.
22 Q Do they have people inside the
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1 White House who are in charge with getting
2 information on people who say things that
3 might be harmful to the Administration?
4 A Could you repeat that please?
5 Q Is there somebody in the White
6 House who is in charge with doing research
7 into individuals who may make allegations
8 about the Administration?
9 A I'm not aware of anyone having that
10 job description.
11 Q Is there anybody that does it?
12 Surely there must be.
13 A There may be people who search the
14 public record, and I'm not aware of anyone
15 who, whose job it is to search things, find
16 bad things to say about people who speak
17 badly about the Administration. I just don't
18 know anything about that.
19 Q Well, who are those people you just
20 referred to?
21 A No, I said I don't know of anyone.
22 Q You did make a reference that there
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1 may be people who do some research on people
2 who are attacking the Administration. Who
3 are the people you were talking about?
4 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. That's
5 mischaracterization of testimony.
6 THE WITNESS: I know people who
7 work in the research office, and they do
8 research. I don't know what their
9 assignments are. I don't know why they do
10 the research that they do, but I know that
11 they do research.
12 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
13 Q Do you know who they are?
14 A I already said them.
15 Q Do you know whether any such people
16 have ever done research on Judicial Watch?
17 A I'm not aware.
18 Q Larry Klayman?
19 A The only thing I'm aware of is
20 people accessing your web site.
21 Q Who accessed my web site?
22 A I accessed your web site, and I
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1 believe Glen Wiener accessed your web site.
2 Q Who told Glen Weiner to access
3 Judicial Watch's web sate?
4 A I not aware of anyone telling Glen
5 Weiner to access your web site.
6 Q What did Mr. Weiner tell you was
7 the reason he accessed it?
8 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. No
9 foundation.
10 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
11 Q You can respond.
12 A We were both accessing your web
13 site because the press release that we had
14 received was barely legible, and we were
15 hoping that you had placed it on your web
16 site. Unfortunately, we could not find it on
17 your web site.
18 Q Who told you to do that?
19 Mr. Begala, correct?
20 A No one told me to do it. It was me
21 trying to find a legible copy of the press
22 release.
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1 Q Have you ever accessed the web site
2 called Opinion Inc.
3 A No.
4 Q Have you ever accessed other web
5 site of individuals who perceive to say
6 negative things against the Clinton
7 Administration?
8 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. No
9 foundation.
10 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
11 Q You can respond?
12 A You'd have to define that. I mean,
13 you can say News Week does that. I mean, you
14 would have to define that better.
15 Q Everybody does that, right?
16 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
17 Argumentative.
18 MR. KLAYMAN: I'm trying to figure
19 out how she defines it.
20 THE WITNESS: I need you to define
21 it.
22 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
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1 Q These days it would be everybody, I
2 guess.
3 A So you're asking me whether I ever
4 accessed your web site?
5 Q Yes, to do research on people who
6 perceive to be a threat to the Clinton
7 Administration, you've done that, in addition
8 to Judicial Watch?
9 A I've never set out to find -- I've
10 never set out to -- no. I've never done
11 that.
12 Q You know of others that have, I
13 take it? Mr. Wiener?
14 A I mean, if you're defining Judicial
15 Watch as a group that exists as a threat to
16 the Administration, and that's your sole
17 purpose of being a threat to the
18 Administration, then I guess Glen Wiener has
19 accessed your web site in order to find a
20 threat to the Administration, but I don't
21 think that's what he was thinking. But I
22 can't speak to what he was thinking, so I'm
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1 just going to stop now. Because I can't -- I
2 don't know what his motivation was, other
3 than to find a legible copy of the press
4 release.
5 Q But you know that the White House
6 is concerned with groups or people that have
7 brought lawsuits against it or say things
8 that are not positive, they are concerned
9 about that, correct? The White House.
10 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
11 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
12 Q Correct?
13 A I can't speak to that.
14 Q Well, you just did speak to that.
15 You said that if Judicial Watch is perceived
16 as a threat, then Wiener must have done it?
17 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
18 Mischaracterizes her testimony.
19 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
20 Q Now tell me what led you to believe
21 that.
22 A I made the mistake of trying to
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1 find define it for you, because you weren't
2 being specific as to what you meant by this
3 kind of group. All I said is that I know
4 that Glen Wiener had tried to access the web
5 site. I don't know what his motivation was.
6 I just know that we were trying to find a
7 legible copy of the press release.
8 Q Have you ever heard of someone by
9 the name of Terry Lenzner?
10 A Yes, I have.
11 Q Have you ever taken a call, or do
12 you have any knowledge of him ever having
13 called your office?
14 A I have -- I, to the best of my
15 knowledge, he has never called our office.
16 Q Does that mean yes or no?
17 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. She
18 answered the question.
19 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
20 Q You can respond.
21 A To the best of my knowledge, he's
22 never called our office.
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1 Q Has he written to your office?
2 A To the best of my knowledge, he has
3 never written to our office.
4 Q His firm is called IG ����. Has
5 anyone from that firm ever called or written
6 to your office?
7 A To the best of my knowledge, no one
8 has ever called or written to our office.
9 Q Are you aware of him having visited
10 anyone in the White House?
11 A I'm not aware.
12 Q Did you ever meet his daughter?
13 A Yes, I have.
14 Q When did you meet his daughter?
15 A We worked in George's office
16 together.
17 Q Did Mr. Lenzner visit at that time?
18 A Not that I'm aware of. It was only
19 until very, very recently that I know that
20 Mr. Lenzner was Emily Lenzner's father.
21 Q Did you ever discuss with Emily
22 Lenzner gathering research against opponents
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1 of the Clinton Administration?
2 A No.
3 Q Have you ever heard anyone say that
4 Paul's talked to Paul Begala, Mr. Lenzner?
5 A No, I've never heard that.
6 Q Do you know whether he has?
7 A No, I do not.
8 Q Have you ever heard the name Jack
9 Paladina?
10 A It's vaguely familiar.
11 Q He's called the office?
12 A No, he has not, to the best of my
13 knowledge.
14 Q You've heard Paul Begala talk about
15 Jack Paladina?
16 A No, I have not.
17 Q How did you find out that Emily was
18 related to Terry Lenzner?
19 A I asked my counsel.
20 Q When did you do that?
21 A This week.
22 Q It concerned you that Emily Lenzner
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1 might be related to Terry Lenzner?
2 A I don't think concern characterizes
3 it. It was more curiosity on my part.
4 Q Why did you have any curiosity at
5 all?
6 A I'm a curious person.
7 Q And what caused you to be curious?
8 A I care about Emily.
9 Q What does this have to do with
10 Emily?
11 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
12 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
13 Q You can respond.
14 MR. KLAYMAN: Let the record
15 reflect that laughter by all three counsel
16 are inappropriate. Certify it.
17 THE WITNESS: I care about Emily,
18 and it hurts me to see her father's name
19 dragged through the mud.
20 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
21 Q Do you know whether or not
22 Mr. Lenzner has done anything illegal?
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1 A I am not aware.
2 Q So you formed an opinion that his
3 name is being dragged through the mud
4 unnecessarily?
5 A I immediately have empathy for
6 anyone whose name is being released during
7 these times.
8 Q Why is that?
9 MS. SHAPIRO: What's the relevancy
10 of her empathy?
11 MR. KLAYMAN: Her bias and
12 prejudice.
13 MS. SHAPIRO: Her bias and
14 prejudice against whom?
15 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
16 Q You can respond.
17 MS. SHAPIRO: I would like a proper
18 relevancy.
19 MR. KLAYMAN: I just gave it to
20 you, and that's enough. Certify this,
21 please. Please do not mess up and interrupt
22 my deposition any further.
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1 MS. SHAPIRO: Can we take a moment
2 please?
3 MR. KLAYMAN: It's not a major
4 question.
5 MS. SHAPIRO: It's an improper
6 question.
7 MR. KLAYMAN: It is an improper
8 question.
9 (Discussion off the record)
10 MR. KLAYMAN: Do you want to take
11 lunch right now?
12 THE WITNESS: No, I don't want to
13 take lunch.
14 MR. KLAYMAN: I mean, I have no
15 further question in this area.
16 MS. SHAPIRO: We'll continue.
17 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
18 Q Have you ever heard of a
19 Mr. Pelicano?
20 A No, I have not.
21 Q Have you ever had contact in your
22 office with anyone that is an outside
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1 investigator in working with George
2 Stephanopoulos or working with Mr. Begala?
3 A Not that I'm aware of.
4 Q But you're not sure, because you
5 don't know who is a private investigator.
6 A Yes, everyone who's called, I don't
7 know exactly what everyone does when they
8 call.
9 Q Have you taken any calls recently
10 in the last 3 months from David Kendall or
11 from Williams and Connolly law firm?
12 A Mr. Kendall may have called once,
13 but I'm not aware. If anyone else called, I
14 don't know who all is in Williams and
15 Connolly, so I don't know where they were
16 calling from.
17 Q How about a Mr. Gattney? Have you
18 heard of that name?
19 A No, I have not.
20 Q When did Mr. Kendall call?
21 A I don't remember. This year, but I
22 don't remember.
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1 Q Within the last few months?
2 A Correct.
3 Q Within the last 2 weeks, perhaps?
4 A I don't think so.
5 Q But maybe?
6 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. You're
7 putting words into the witness's mouth.
8 MR. KLAYMAN: She can respond.
9 MS. SHAPIRO: Please let me assert
10 my objection. You're continually speaking
11 over me. I'm entitled to at least state my
12 objection for the record.
13 MR. KLAYMAN: See what you do is,
14 you make your objection. I then start
15 talking, and then you start talking again.
16 That's the problem, Ms. Shapiro.
17 MS. SHAPIRO: You can describe it
18 however you'd like for the record, but you
19 are talking over me, and we can play the
20 videotape for the judge, and it will reflect
21 it.
22 MR. KLAYMAN: We will be playing
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1 some videotapes for the judge; I agree.
2 THE WITNESS: Did you have a
3 question? I'm sorry.
4 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
5 Q Yes, was it in the last few weeks?
6 A I don't know. I don't remember it,
7 but I don't know.
8 Q Have you ever received a call from
9 Bob Bennett of Skadden Arps law firm?
10 A I believe Mr. Bennett has called
11 before.
12 Q Called in the last 3 months?
13 A Yes.
14 Q How many times?
15 A Probably less than five.
16 Q Did you talk with Mr. Bennett when
17 he called?
18 A No, I did not.
19 Q Did you talk with Mr. Kendall when
20 we called?
21 A I don't remember.
22 Q Who did you put the call through
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1 to?
2 A I mean, I don't remember. I don't
3 remember if Paul was there, or if I just took
4 a message.
5 Q Well, these people weren't calling
6 for you, correct?
7 A Correct.
8 Q So since you're the only other one
9 in the office, by definition, they were
10 calling for Paul, correct?
11 A Correct.
12 Q Now you sat there when these calls
13 were given to Paul, correct?
14 A I don't know. On occasion, I do
15 walk out of the room when people call.
16 Q Tell me what you remember about the
17 calls of Mr. Bennett, what was being
18 discussed?
19 A Oh, I don't remember.
20 Q Same question for Mr. Kendall.
21 A I don't remember.
22 Q Have you ever heard of a Victoria
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1 Radd?
2 A Of Ms. Victoria Radd?
3 Q Yes.
4 A Yes, I know Ms. Radd, yes.
5 Q How do you know Ms. Radd?
6 A Because she's -- she's worked in
7 the White House on and off since I've been --
8 most since I've been around, and -- most of
9 the time -- and when I did advance on the
10 debate preps, she was kind of -- she was in
11 the leadership position there, and so I
12 worked a little bit, not so much with her,
13 but I was there. I just know her from being
14 in the White House.
15 Q Now I'm going to show you what I'll
16 ask the court reporter to mark as Exhibit 1
17 to your deposition. This is a press release
18 of Judicial Watch of February 13, 1997,
19 headlined, "Stephanopoulos, Begala and
20 Carville Subpoenaed in Filegate."
21 A I see it.
22 (Parker Deposition Exhibit No. 1
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1 was marked for identification.)
2 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
3 Q You see it?
4 A Uh-huh.
5 Q Have you ever seen this before?
6 A I believe I have.
7 Q When was the first time you saw it?
8 A I don't remember the date.
9 Q Was it on or about February 23,
10 1997?
11 A I don't know.
12 Q How did it come to your attention?
13 A I was called by someone in the
14 research office.
15 Q And who was that?
16 A I don't remember.
17 Q And did that person bring this
18 press release to your attention?
19 A Not necessarily. I mean, someone
20 in that office did, but I don't remember who
21 I talked to, and I don't remember who came
22 into the office.
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1 Q Was it one of the two men that you
2 identified earlier?
3 A Not necessarily.
4 Q And what did that person say? Man
5 or a woman?
6 A It was a man.
7 Q And what did that person say?
8 A I only -- I mean, I vaguely
9 remember the conversation that, something
10 about Judicial Watch, something about Paul
11 being subpoenaed. Have you heard about this?
12 Have you seen it? Let me get the press
13 release to you. That's what I vaguely
14 remember.
15 Q They had talked to Paul before they
16 called you?
17 A No.
18 Q Did they say how they became aware
19 of this press release? They did; didn't
20 they?
21 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. Let her
22 answer the question.
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1 THE WITNESS: See, I think they
2 said -- see -- see, I can't answer it for
3 certain.
4 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
5 Q Well, tell me what you think they
6 said.
7 A I think they said it was faxed to
8 them from the Mary Madeleine Show. I don't
9 remember; I'm not sure.
10 Q Did they say who at the Mary
11 Madeleine Show faxed it?
12 A No.
13 Q Was anything else said during that
14 conversation?
15 A Not that I remember.
16 Q What happened after you received
17 the press release?
18 A I don't remember the chronology. I
19 remember having contact with Mr. Carville's
20 office. I believe -- I don't remember if
21 they were going to fax me a better copy, or
22 if I was going to fax them a copy we had. I
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1 remember going to your web site to see if you
2 had listed it, to see if we could get them on
3 legible copy. I think it was Carville's
4 office that sent us a more legible version,
5 which may be this one. I don't know. And
6 then I remember putting it in Paul's box.
7 Q Did Carville's office contact you,
8 or did you contact Carville's office?
9 A I don't remember how it went.
10 Q Does your office keep phone
11 records? When you make a call, do you log in
12 the call?
13 A I -- when a call comes in for Paul,
14 I keep a phone log. However, as he answers,
15 as he calls each person back or deems that
16 he's not going to call them back, I take that
17 call out of the log.
18 Q What kind of a log do you keep?
19 A I keep it on Word Perfect, and it's
20 in a little graph.
21 Q It's where?
22 A It's in a graph or a table; it's in
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1 like a table.
2 Q In the computer?
3 A It's something on Word Perfect;
4 yes, I keep it on the computer.
5 Q Do you have any kind of a message
6 pad that you write things down on?
7 A No. I did when we first started,
8 but that was -- I mean, I got rid of that as
9 soon as -- within the first couple of weeks
10 of my starting.
11 Q Have you ever erased any of these
12 telephone messages?
13 A That's what I said. Whenever he
14 calls someone back or deems that he's not
15 going to call someone back, I take them out.
16 I just, I delete them.
17 Q Now do you ever write down what the
18 person is leaving as a message? I guess you
19 do, do you, in the computer?
20 A If I get the message, yes.
21 Sometimes people don't leave messages.
22 Q And you type out the telephone
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1 messages for him so you can give them to him,
2 correct?
3 A Usually, yes.
4 Q And those little messages are
5 stored somewhere in the office; aren't they?
6 A No, they're on this table. It's
7 all on the table in Word Perfect. It's my
8 little table in Word Perfect, and there's a
9 little section for the time, who called, the
10 number, message, and that's where I put it
11 all.
12 Q But do you type it out when Paul's
13 not there to give him the message?
14 A If Paul's not there to take the
15 call, okay. Well, Paul can be there and not
16 take the call when I put it in his phone log.
17 But for any situation where he's not taking
18 the call, I will put it in the phone log.
19 Q The computer phone log?
20 A Correct.
21 Q But you print it out to give it to
22 him if he's not there, correct?
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1 A I always print it out to give it to
2 him.
3 Q And those are stored in a file
4 folder?
5 A No, when he's done, I throw it out.
6 Q You don't know if he throws them
7 out; do you?
8 A No, I take care of the phone log,
9 and I throw them out.
10 MR. KLAYMAN: The court reporter
11 needs to change the tape.
12 THE VIDEO SPECIALIST: We're going
13 off video record at 12:26.
14 (Recess)
15 THE VIDEO SPECIALIST: We're back
16 on video record at 12:28.
17 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
18 Q I take it, you recorded the call to
19 Carville on your phone records?
20 A No.
21 Q Is that because he called you?
22 A Okay, this is how it works. If
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1 someone calls in, Paul's not there to take
2 the call, and it's for Paul, I will put it on
3 the record, okay?
4 Now if I'm calling out or Paul's
5 calling out, it's not recorded.
6 Q So it was most likely a call going
7 out from you to Carville?
8 A I don't remember how it went.
9 Q Who did you talk to at Carville's?
10 A I don't remember.
11 Q What was said?
12 A All I remember is asking them if
13 they -- I remember talking to them about
14 getting a better copy of the, of the press
15 release. I mean, as you can see, it's hardly
16 legible.
17 Q Who did you talk to there?
18 A I don't remember.
19 Q Now you say you put it in Paul's
20 inbox?
21 A Correct.
22 Q Did you then bring it to Paul's
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1 attention when he came back? Was he there at
2 the time you put it in the his inbox?
3 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. Compound
4 question.
5 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
6 Q He was there when you put it into
7 his inbox?
8 A No, he was not.
9 Q He was out of the office?
10 A Yes, he was.
11 Q When did he come back?
12 A I don't remember. Later that day.
13 Q And he became aware that he saw
14 this press release in the end box?
15 A I believe I paged him.
16 Q You paged him before he came back?
17 A Yes, but I page him often.
18 Q Because you viewed this as an
19 urgent matter?
20 A I page him often.
21 Q Because you viewed this as an
22 urgent matter?
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1 A I page him often, with matters that
2 I would not consider urgent.
3 Q Important?
4 A Yes, I considered it important.
5 Q And he came back to the office,
6 correct?
7 A Eventually he came back to the
8 office.
9 Q And you had a discussion with him
10 about this press release?
11 A No.
12 Q You did discuss the press release
13 with him when he got back?
14 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
15 THE WITNESS: No, I did not.
16 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
17 Q You never discussed this press
18 release with Mr. Begala?
19 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
20 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
21 Q You can answer.
22 A No, I've never discussed the press
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1 release with him.
2 Q Did you become aware that he saw
3 this press release when he came back?
4 A I saw him read the press release.
5 Q And what did he say, if anything,
6 when he read it?
7 A I don't remember what he said. I
8 think I may have seen him breathe deeply, but
9 I don't remember what he said, if he said
10 anything at all.
11 Q Did he do anything after that? Did
12 he call anyone?
13 A I'm not aware of him calling anyone
14 regarding this.
15 Q That wasn't my question.
16 MS. SHAPIRO: That was your
17 question.
18 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
19 Q No, it was a much broader response
20 than my question, which obviously causes me
21 to think maybe I need to ask my question
22 differently.
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1 A Then please do.
2 Q Were you programmed to make that
3 response?
4 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
5 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
6 Q You realize I was going to ask that
7 question before you came here today?
8 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. Is there
9 some reason why you feel like you have to
10 beat up on this witness?
11 MR. KLAYMAN: I don't call this
12 beating up on anybody. The record will speak
13 for itself.
14 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
15 Q Before you came in here, did you
16 think that Larry Klayman was going to ask you
17 this question?
18 A Sir, I have -- I really could -- I
19 would not dare venture to guess what you're
20 going to ask me.
21 Q You wouldn't have an inkling?
22 A I have lots of inklings.
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1 Q That's why you spent 4 hours with
2 Ms. Paxton?
3 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. You're
4 arguing with the witness, over nothing
5 relevant to this matter, I might add.
6 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
7 Q Are you saying that when you met
8 with Ms. Paxton, you weren't discussing this
9 deposition?
10 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection. She is
11 not going to answer any question about the
12 substance of our conversations --
13 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
14 Q Were you discussing this
15 deposition?
16 MS. SHAPIRO: Please let me finish
17 my objection. I was in mid sentence.
18 MR. KLAYMAN: You have a staccato
19 style, Ms. Shapiro.
20 MS. SHAPIRO: But obviously I'm in
21 the middle of talking when you talk over me.
22 I ask you a simple courtesy. Are you a