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1 mother.
2 A Well, I just wanted to give you an
3 accurate answer.
4 Q What reporter is Mr. Begala the
5 closest with?
6 A I'm not in position to judge
7 closeness.
8 Q Who do you know that he sees
9 frequently or talks to frequently?
10 A He talks to Mark Halperin, he talks
11 to Wolf Blitzer, he talks to John King.
12 Q John who?
13 A King.
14 Q Who is he with?
15 A CNN. Talks to Karen 컴컴.
16 Q Who is she with?
17 A Time. John Harris calls.
18 Q From the Post?
19 A Correct.
20 Q Who else?
21 A Peter Baker.
22 Q Who else?
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1 A I mean, other people call. Those
2 are the people who stand out as people who
3 call, who call more.
4 Q Have you ever heard any discussions
5 about a report prepared inside the White
6 House called the communications stream of
7 commerce?
8 A It's not familiar.
9 Q Are you aware of anyone inside the
10 White House ever having gathered information
11 about journalists who are considered to be
12 adverse to the administration?
13 A I think I read press accounts of
14 it.
15 Q Are you aware of it ever having
16 occurred?
17 A No, I'm not.
18 Q Have you ever had any
19 communications in your office from the
20 Internal Revenue Service?
21 A Not that I'm aware of.
22 Q Has Mr. Begala ever called the
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1 Internal Revenue Service?
2 A Not that I'm aware of.
3 Q Do you know of anyone who has?
4 A I'm sorry?
5 Q Do you know of anyone who has?
6 A In what capacity?
7 Q In any capacity.
8 A I mean, it's highly conceivable
9 that anyone could have called the IRS for any
10 number of reasons since everyone must file
11 their taxes.
12 Q I'm going to show you what was
13 marked as exhibit 11 to Mr. Carville's
14 deposition and ask whether you've ever seen
15 any of these documents before?
16 A Okay.
17 MS. PAXTON: What exhibit is this?
18 MS. SHAPIRO: Here. I got passed
19 over.
20 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
21 Q Have you ever seen any of these
22 documents before?
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1 A No, I have not.
2 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
3 Q Have you ever seen a New Republican
4 article about Larry Klayman?
5 A Not to the best of my knowledge.
6 Q Do you know what the New Republic
7 is?
8 A Yes, I do.
9 MR. KLAYMAN: I'll just show you
10 what has been marked as Exhibit 5 to
11 Mr. Stephanopoulos' deposition which is a
12 press release of June 14, 1996. In fact,
13 I'll ask that it be marked in this
14 deposition. What's the next one, exhibit
15 what, 11?
16 (Parker Deposition Exhibit
17 No. 11 was marked for
18 identification.)
19 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
20 Q Have you ever seen this document
21 before?
22 You can take the time and review it
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1 if you'd like.
2 A I've never seen this document
3 before.
4 MR. KLAYMAN: I'll show you what
5 I'll ask the Court reporter to mark as
6 Exhibit 12 and ask whether you've ever seen
7 this document before.
8 (Parker Deposition Exhibit
9 No. 12 was marked for
10 identification.)
11 THE WITNESS: I've never seen this
12 document before. And I'd like to add that I
13 was not in the White House during the time it
14 was -- June 14.
15 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
16 Q I just asked you whether you've
17 ever seen the document before.
18 Did you meet Mr. Livingstone before
19 the inaugural in 1993?
20 A To the best of my memory, no.
21 Q Did you meet Livingstone more than
22 once?
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1 A I've had contact with him more than
2 once.
3 Q You identified two occasions. What
4 in addition to the two that you previously
5 testified to?
6 A There was one time he was taking
7 someone on a tour in the White House and he
8 stopped by our office he introduced us to the
9 person he was taking on tour. I also
10 remember him calling the office and offering
11 concert tickets.
12 Q Who was he taking on a tour?
13 A David Bowie.
14 Q The rock singer?
15 A Yes.
16 Q Did he stop by the office with
17 David Bowie?
18 A Yes, he did.
19 Q Who was in the office at the time?
20 A I don't remember who was the
21 assistant at the time.
22 Q Was it when you were working for
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1 Stephanopoulos or Begala?
2 A Stephanopoulos.
3 Q And did he meet George
4 Stephanopoulos, Livingstone, at the time?
5 A I don't remember if George was
6 there.
7 Q You think he was there, don't you?
8 A No, I don't remember.
9 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
10 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
11 Q He met several people in the
12 office, didn't he?
13 A Who are you referring to?
14 Q Livingstone?
15 A Excuse me.
16 Q When Livingstone brought Bowie to
17 the office, he met several people in the
18 office?
19 A I don't remember who else was
20 there. I remember -- I remember a comment
21 that Livingstone made and I remember meeting
22 David Bowie.
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1 Q He met the President, didn't he?
2 A Excuse me?
3 Q Livingstone and Bowie met the
4 President when they came by George's office.
5 A I'm not aware of that.
6 Q George's office is right next to
7 the Oval Office, isn't it?
8 A That's true.
9 Q And they walked into the Oval
10 Office?
11 A I'm not aware of that.
12 Q With Livingstone?
13 A I have no idea.
14 Q But it may have happened?
15 A A lot of things may have happened.
16 Q I'm asking do you know whether it
17 happened definitively or not?
18 A No, I'm not aware.
19 Q And what was the other time with
20 these tickets, concert tickets? Who did he
21 call for those, George?
22 A The way I remember it is that he
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1 called twice, the first time to speak to
2 whoever the assistant was at the time and the
3 second time -- I don't remember if he -- I
4 don't remember if he talked to me or not. I
5 just -- I -- I -- I kind of remember it as he
6 had tickets. I don't remember if he told the
7 assistant that he had tickets. I don't have
8 a firm memory of how the whole thing
9 happened.
10 Q And the tickets were intended for
11 George Stephanopoulos?
12 A I don't remember who he was first
13 offering them to.
14 Q He didn't offer them to you, did
15 he?
16 A I don't remember if he personally
17 offered them to me. In the end I was able to
18 go.
19 Q In the end you were?
20 A Yes.
21 Q You went?
22 A Uh-huh.
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1 Q You had more than one set of
2 tickets?
3 A From what I understand, there was a
4 block of tickets. They weren't for free. We
5 had to pay for them.
6 Q What concert was it?
7 A Pearl Jam.
8 Q And did he offer those ticks to
9 George Stephanopoulos?
10 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
11 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
12 Q You can respond.
13 A I don't know.
14 Q Did he ask to speak to George
15 Stephanopoulos?
16 A I don't remember.
17 Q You've seen Livingstone and
18 Stephanopoulos together, haven't you?
19 A I don't have any image in my head
20 of the two of them standing together.
21 Q But do you think that you've seen
22 them together?
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1 A I mean, I don't remember seeing
2 them together.
3 Q In fact, the two of them were
4 somewhat friendly, weren't they?
5 A May ask I how you define
6 "friendly."
7 Q Knew each other quite well?
8 A I'm not aware of that.
9 Q Did you ever know of Livingstone
10 visiting you or Stephanopoulos or Begala
11 other than the times you've identified today?
12 A No, I do not.
13 Q Have you ever seen Livingstone and
14 Hillary Clinton together?
15 A I have no recollection of that.
16 Q You don't know one way or the
17 other?
18 A I have no memory of seeing them
19 together.
20 Q Livingstone and the President?
21 A I have no memory of seeing them
22 together.
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1 MS. SHAPIRO: We're over the 6-hour
2 time right now. We're willing to go to 5:15,
3 but that's over and above.
4 MR. KLAYMAN: Are you saying we
5 have gone six hours at this point?
6 MS. SHAPIRO: Yes.
7 MR. KLAYMAN: And our records show
8 that we haven't, and Mr. Fitton has been
9 sitting here with a time clock.
10 MS. SHAPIRO: So have we.
11 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
12 Q Have you ever seen the President
13 and Livingstone together?
14 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
15 THE WITNESS: I don't remember.
16 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
17 Q Please answer. You have no memory?
18 A I have in memory of them being
19 together.
20 Q Have you ever seen an FBI file
21 laying on anybody's desk?
22 A No, and that's to the best of my
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1 knowledge.
2 Q Have you ever seen an FBI file?
3 A I don't know.
4 Q When you met with Gary Aldridge,
5 how many times did you meet with him?
6 A Once.
7 Q Do you think he was a pretty nice
8 guy?
9 A He was pleasant with me.
10 Q And did he have FBI files with him?
11 Did he have your file with him as he was
12 sitting there?
13 A He did not verify to me that what
14 was in front of him was my FBI file. He
15 didn't insinuate it. He didn't say anything.
16 Q During the time that you worked in
17 the White House, have you ever seen any
18 memoranda circulated that talked about how,
19 if you get inquiries from the press, you
20 should response?
21 A Excuse me?
22 Q During the time that you have
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1 worked at the White House, have you ever seen
2 any memoranda written on White House
3 stationery or otherwise which give
4 instructions on how to respond if you get
5 inquiries from the press?
6 A What kind of instructions?
7 Q I don't know. I haven't seen them.
8 I'm asking you. Like, if you get an inquiry
9 about filegate contact this person. If you
10 get an inquire about Monica Lewinski, contact
11 this person?
12 A I have never seen a directive like
13 that.
14 Q Have you seen any other directives
15 of any sort?
16 A I've seen talking points. I've
17 seen press guidances.
18 Q Have seen talking points on
19 anything dealing with FBI files?
20 A No I have.
21 Q Talking points on anything dealing
22 private investigators?
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1 A No.
2 Q Talking points on anything dealing
3 with opposition research?
4 A No, I have not.
5 Q Talking points on anything dealing
6 with the current controversies over Monica
7 Lewinski and Linda Tripp and Kathleen Willey
8 and others?
9 A No, I have not.
10 Q Did Stephanopoulos ever talk to you
11 about Gary Aldridge?
12 A No, he has not.
13 Q Did he ever remark to you about any
14 portions about Gary Aldridge's book?
15 A He never remarked about any
16 portions of the book.
17 Q I'm coming to a close in terms of
18 these questions subject, of course, to our
19 need to recall the witness once we get all
20 the documents and get a court ruling on the
21 questions that weren't answered, but just to
22 refresh my recollection on the first dates
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1 that you were in the White House I want to
2 make sure I have them exactly. During your
3 first period there as a volunteer then an
4 intern, what were the exact dates?
5 A I started some time in March of '93
6 to the best of my memory and I stayed on as a
7 volunteer until the fall semester of '95, and
8 then I was an intern for that semester and
9 then when that semester was over --
10 Q You were an intern after the fall
11 semester of '95?
12 A No, fall '95, I was an intern.
13 Then, after that, I was back to being a
14 volunteer.
15 Q And what period were you a
16 volunteer again?
17 A After that semester was finished
18 through May '96.
19 Q And then you left again?
20 A Correct.
21 Q And when did you come back?
22 A I came back as a staff person in
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1 September of '97.
2 Q And you have been there ever since?
3 A Correct.
4 Q Do you have any other jobs?
5 A Right now?
6 Q Yes.
7 A No.
8 Q Did you ever know any interns that
9 worked at Starbucks on Wisconsin Avenue?
10 A No.
11 Q Is that funny?
12 A I think it's awful.
13 Q Do you know somebody died there?
14 A I'm very aware that somebody died
15 there.
16 Q Do you know whether it was a White
17 House intern, a former White House intern?
18 A No, by I'm aware there is a
19 conspiracy out there that suggests that.
20 Q Where did you hear that?
21 A I've heard it.
22 Q Where did you hear it?
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1 A I don't remember.
2 Q Who told you that in the White
3 House?
4 A I don't know.
5 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
6 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
7 Q On the Drudge Report? Is that
8 where you heard it?
9 A I don't know.
10 Q You ever hear of 컴컴?
11 A Excuse me.
12 Q 컴컴?
13 A The name is not familiar.
14 Q Salon magazine, Salon web site?
15 A I'm familiar with Salon.
16 Q How did you become familiar with
17 it?
18 A There have been articles that have
19 been circulated from Salon so I started
20 checking them out myself.
21 Q Who circulated them?
22 A I think Mr. Blumenthal has
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1 circulated them.
2 Q What articles are they?
3 A I don't keep track.
4 Q And this is fairly recent?
5 A Over the last couple of months.
6 Q And what were the articles about?
7 A I don't keep track.
8 Q Do you remember one article?
9 A I think there's a recent piece on
10 컴컴.
11 Q Judge 컴컴?
12 A Actually, I don't know very much
13 about 컴컴. I don't know if he's a judge.
14 Q You mean 컴컴a person rather than
15 hail that falls from the sky?
16 A A person named 컴컴.
17 Q And has 컴컴 ever contacted the
18 office?
19 A Not that I'm aware of.
20 Q Has Mr. Begala ever talked to 컴컴?
21 A Not that I'm aware of.
22 Q Has Mr. Blumenthal?
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1 A I can't speak to that.
2 Q Has anybody that you know of?
3 A I have no knowledge of anyone
4 speaking to him.
5 Q What's your understanding of what
6 Salon is.
7 A It's a magazine on the net. It's a
8 -- I mean, I see it as a magazine.
9 Q The White House is feeding Salon
10 information, is it not?
11 A I can't speak to that.
12 Q You don't know?
13 A I can't speak to that. I don't
14 know.
15 Q The information that you've seen
16 that Mr. Blumenthal circulate, how did it
17 come to your attention?
18 A Interoffice mail.
19 Q And does he attach the entire copy
20 of the web site or what was included?
21 A A printout of the article.
22 Q What was the article about?
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1 A I don't keep track of the articles
2 that have come through.
3 Q It's understood in the White House
4 that this is a publication that's meant to
5 smear conservatives, isn't it?
6 A I don't know it -- I've never
7 spoken to anyone else about their
8 understanding of Salon.
9 Q What's your understanding?
10 MS. SHAPIRO: Asked and answered.
11 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
12 Q You can respond.
13 A I see it as a magazine.
14 Q What's the reputation in the White
15 House as to the nature of the Salon magazine.
16 Is it viewed like a tabloid?
17 A I answered that.
18 Q Do you have any knowledge as to who
19 pays for Salon?
20 A Who do -- what do you mean?
21 Q Do you know of anyone who supports
22 Salon magazine?
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1 A I've never noticed any advertisers,
2 if they have advertisers.
3 Q Have you ever talked to
4 Mr. Carville about Salon magazine?
5 A No, I have not. The.
6 Q Is it your understanding that Salon
7 magazine is the liberal version of the Drudge
8 Report?
9 A I have never thought of it in that
10 way.
11 Q Does that make sense to you?
12 A I wouldn't agree with that
13 characterization.
14 Q Why?
15 A It's not something I would come up
16 with.
17 Q Have you ever become aware of an
18 organization called the Education and
19 Information Project?
20 A I have never heard of that.
21 Q Do you know whether that's
22 connected with Mr. James Carville?
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1 A I have never heard of it.
2 Q How did you find out about Linda
3 Tripp's arrest record?
4 MS. SHAPIRO: Objection.
5 BY MR. KLAYMAN:
6 Q Have you found out about Linda
7 Tripp's arrest record through White House
8 sources?
9 A No.
10 Q Having gone through this entire
11 deposition, is there anything that you
12 haven't told me with regard to any
13 information that you've ever seen or heard at
14 the White House concerning the Federal Bureau
15 of Investigation?
16 A Excuse me? Could you please --
17 Q Having now gone through this
18 investigation, is there anything that you
19 haven't testified to thus far about
20 information that you've heard or seen or
21 obtained at the White House about FBI files?
22 A No.
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1 MR. KLAYMAN: I have no further
2 questions at this time and we will leave the
3 deposition open for the reasons stated about
4 10 minutes ago.
5 MS. SHAPIRO: We'll object as
6 usual. The deposition is closed.
7 THE VIDEO SPECIALIST: We're going
8 off video record at 5:15.
9 (Whereupon, at 5:15 p.m., the
10 deposition of ELEANOR STACY
11 PARKER was adjourned.)
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