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Planet Depos Make Happen
Transcript Eric James Boswell
Date: May 2019
Case: Judicial Watch, Inc. -v- U.S. Department State
Planet Depos
Phone: 888.433.3767
Email:: transcripts@planetdepos.com
www.planetdepos.com
WORLDWIDE COURT REPORTING INTERPRETATION TRIAL SERVICES THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT COLUMBIA
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JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.,
Plaintiff,
U.S. DEPARTMENT STATE,
Defendant.
Civil Action No.
14-01242(RCL)
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Videotaped Deposition ERIC JAMES BOSWELL
Washington, D.C.
Thursday, May 2019
9:59 a.m.
Job No.:
Reported by:
235647
Alda Mandell, RPR, CRR
Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
Videotaped Deposition ERIC JAMES BOSWELL,
held the offices of:
PLANET DEPOS
1100 Connecticut Avenue, Northwest
Suite 950
Washington, D.C.
(888)433-3767
20036
Pursuant Notice, before Alda Mandell,
Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public the District Columbia.
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019 BEHALF PLAINTIFF:
MICHAEL BEKESHA, ESQUIRE
RAMONA COTCA, ESQUIRE
LAUREN BURKE, ESQUIRE
JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.
425 3rd Street, S.W.
Suite 800
Washington, D.C.
(202)646-5172
20024 BEHALF DEFENDANT:
JOSHUA GARDNER, ESQUIRE
STEPHEN PEZZI, ESQUIRE
U.S. DEPARTMENT JUSTICE
Civil Division
1100 Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C.
(202)305-7583
(202)305-8576
20005
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
(Continued) BEHALF THE WITNESS:
JOSHUA LEVY
CUNNINGHAM LEVY MUSE
1401 Street, N.W.
Suite 600
Washington, D.C.
(202)261-6564
20005
ALSO PRESENT:
MICHAEL LIEBERMAN, ESQUIRE
Department State
LEYHBERT SHARP Videographer
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
EXAMINATION ERIC JAMES BOSWELL Mr. Bekesha
PAGE
(Attached the Transcript)
BOSWELL DEPOSITION EXHIBITS
PAGE
Exhibit
Email chain DS012
Exhibit
Email chain DS014
Exhibit
Email chain DS015
Exhibit
Email chain DS016
Exhibit
Email chain DS017
Exhibit
Information Memo for
Cheryl Mills C05891070
Exhibit
Email chain C05891105
Exhibit
Email chain DS024
Exhibit
Email chain DS025
Exhibit
Information Memo For The
Secretary C05857904
Exhibit
HRC-2512-2513
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
This the beginning
09:59:51 Media Number the videotaped deposition
09:59:54
Eric Boswell the matter Judicial Watch, Inc.
09:59:57
versus U.S. Department State the United States
10:00:03
District Court for the District Court Columbia.
10:00:06
The case number 14-01242(RCL).
10:00:09
Todays date Thursday, May 2nd, 2019.
10:00:16
The time the video monitor 10:00 oclock.
videographer today Leyhbert Sharp representing
10:00:24
Planet Depos.
10:00:31
The
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The videotaped deposition taking place
10:00:32 the Planet Depos D.C. location, 1100 Connecticut
10:00:33
Avenue, Northwest, Washington, D.C., 20036.
10:00:38
Will counsel please voice identify
yourself and state who you represent.
MR. LEVY:
Joshua Levy for the witness,
Joshua Gardner with the
United States Department Justice.
MR. PEZZI:
10:00:45
10:00:49
10:00:49
Ambassador Eric Boswell.
MR. BEKESHA:
10:00:43
Stephen Pezzi from the
Department Justice.
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10:00:53
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
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MR. LIEBERMAN:
MR. BEKESHA:
Lauren Burke behalf
10:01:04
10:01:08
10:01:09
Judicial Watch.
THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
The court reporter
today Alda Mandell representing Planet Depos.
Will the court reporter please swear
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10:01:11
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10:01:16
the witness.
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10:01:06
MS. BURKE:
Ramona Cotca behalf
Judicial Watch.
Michael Bekesha behalf
10:01:02
MS. COTCA:
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10:00:59
Judicial Watch.
Michael Lieberman with the
Office Legal Adviser, Department State.
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ERIC JAMES BOSWELL
being first duly sworn affirmed testify
10:01:17 the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
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the
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follows:
truth, was examined and testified
10:01:17
10:01:17
EXAMINATION COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFF,
10:01:27 MR. BEKESHA:
Good morning, Ambassador Boswell. Michael Bekesha.
Watch. name attorney for Judicial here ask you some questions about one
PLANET DEPOS
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10:01:29
10:01:31
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
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lawsuits against the State Department; specifically,
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questions about whether Secretary Clintons use
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her personal email server was intended stymie
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FOIA.
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10:01:49
Before begin, could you please state
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and spell your full name for the record. name Eric James Boswell.
10:01:50
E-R-I-C,
10:01:55
J-A-M-E-S, B-O-S-W-E-L-L.
Thank you.
10:01:58
Also, before begin,
like over few ground rules.
Your counsel
10:02:00
may have already talked you about them, but
10:02:03
will help make the deposition more smoothly.
10:02:05 you dont hear one questions, let
10:02:09
Ill happy repeat it.
10:02:11 know.
understand one them, also please let know.
will try rephrase and make little bit
10:02:16
easier.
10:02:18 you dont
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Its also important that you respond out
10:02:19
loud opposed shaking your head making any
10:02:21
other gestures.
10:02:25
verbal responses.
The court reporter can only record
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
Finally, its important that you wait
10:02:29
until done asking the questions.
counsels making any objections the Justice
10:02:34
Department making any objections, the court
10:02:36
reporter can only get down the information one
10:02:40
persons speaking time.
10:02:45 your
Finally, want emphasize not going
10:02:31
10:02:47 asking you divulge any classified
10:02:50
information.
10:02:52
may divulge such information, please let know.
10:02:55 can off the record and you can have the
10:02:58
opportunity talk counsel and the Government
10:03:00
about it.
10:03:03
information and just want make that clear.
10:03:07
Finally, this shouldnt too long, but
10:03:10 you think answer any question want make sure dont divulge any you need any breaks any point, just let
10:03:13
know.
10:03:16
whenever necessary.
Were happy take five-minute breaks
With that out the way, want start
10:03:18
10:03:19
off just talking briefly and generally about your
10:03:23
role Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security.
10:03:26
When did you hold that position?
10:03:30
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Ive held that position twice under
10:03:32
various administrations, both from 1996 1998 and
10:03:33
from 2007 2012.
10:03:41
And well just focus the period
from 2007 2012 today.
Okay.
Just that were all the same page, sometimes abbreviated DSS?
No, its DS.
DS.
Okay.
10:03:46
10:03:49
10:03:52
10:03:55
10:03:58
Thank you.
10:04:00
And generally, what did that role entail?
10:04:02
Overall policy supervision the law
10:04:06
enforcement and security arm the Department
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State, which responsible for keeping people
10:04:11
keeping our people, U.S. Government people, safe
10:04:14
overseas and securing classified information,
10:04:17
national security information.
10:04:20
Okay.
Did include protecting the
Secretary State?
10:04:21
10:04:24
Yes, did.
10:04:24
And what does that mean?
10:04:25 protected detail and the bodyguards
10:04:27
around the Secretary State.
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Okay.
Did also include protecting her
communications her records information?
That was combination the Bureau
10:04:32
10:04:35
10:04:37
Diplomatic Security and the Bureau Administration
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that had the responsibility for the State
10:04:42
Department.
10:04:44 think staffs would liaison with
have?
And how many how much staff did you
How large was your department?
Overall supervised about directly
Okay.
And those were all different
Different offices the State Department,
indirect supervision overseas.
local guards, which the bulk the number.
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10:04:57
10:05:01
10:05:06
10:05:11
10:05:15
offices?
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10:05:09
indirectly, about 40,000 people.
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10:04:56
people the other.
And was there individual that
other component that was your liaison?
Okay.
And included
Some the offices that were included was
Office Security Technology.
purview?
Fall within your
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10:05:17
10:05:23
10:05:28
10:05:29
10:05:34
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Yes.
10:05:34
What did that office do, very briefly?
10:05:35
Very briefly, was simply responsible
10:05:37
for the safety information systems, State
10:05:40
Department.
10:05:43 all State Department
10:05:45
Yes.
10:05:47 employees?
10:05:47
Yes.
10:05:48
Well get the hang it.
10:05:50
Sorry.
10:05:52
The Chief Technology Office, does that too fast.
Okay.
fall under your purview well?
10:05:55
10:05:58 dont recall that title.
10:06:01
Okay.
10:06:02
The Office Computer Security,
did that fall under your purview?
10:06:05 dont recall that title.
10:06:07
How about the Office Information
10:06:09
Security Programs?
10:06:11 dont recall that title either.
10:06:13
Okay.
10:06:15 you recall any other offices
bureaus and components that fell under you that
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
would have related State Department email?
10:06:21
Questions not really clear me.
10:06:27
Okay.
10:06:29
What say protecting State
10:06:33
Department email.
Not physically protecting the State
10:06:39
10:06:41
Department email.
But some other way?
10:06:44
Responsible for ensuring that training
10:06:47 ensure that classified information and
10:06:53
appropriate information was the email.
10:06:55
MS. COTCA:
Sorry.
Can you just speak up?
10:07:02
Towards the end
THE WITNESS:
MS. COTCA:
10:07:00
Sure. your voice drops off.
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10:07:02
And who did you report to?
10:07:03
The Undersecretary for Management.
10:07:04
And who was that during your tenure?
10:07:07
Patrick Kennedy.
10:07:10
And did you have any direct deputy
10:07:11
assistants anybody directly below you?
10:07:15
Yes.
10:07:17
How many did you have?
10:07:18
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About five Deputy Assistant Secretaries.
10:07:19
Did one particular oversee the Office
10:07:24
10:07:26 Security Technology?
The there was Office Director
10:07:30
was not Deputy Assistant Secretary who did
10:07:36
security infrastructure.
10:07:42
Director think Director Security
10:07:45
Infrastructure.
10:07:48
That was his title,
And was there one director during your
10:07:48
10:07:51
tenure?
Yes.
10:07:52
Who was that person?
10:07:52
Donald Reid.
10:07:54 Assistant Secretary did you have any
10:08:02
responsibilities related the Freedom
10:08:04
Information Act any capacity?
10:08:08
No.
10:08:11 Assistant Secretary did you have any
10:08:14
responsibilities related responding document
10:08:16
requests from Congress Inspector General?
10:08:19
that means. dont really dont quite know what
Can you clarify?
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
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Sure. the State Department were
10:08:33
receive document request from committee
10:08:35
Congress member Congress, did you have any
10:08:39
responsibilities gathering documents ensuring
10:08:41
that your office gathered documents respond?
10:08:46 dont dont think so.
There was
10:08:49
separate office the State Department that took
10:08:52
care those things.
10:08:54 you know what office that was?
10:08:55 was somewhere the Bureau
10:08:56
10:08:58
Administration.
Okay.
Did you have any interaction all
10:08:58
during your tenure and when say your tenure
10:09:02
lets just Ill clear, its 2007 2012
10:09:06
with any FOIA offices?
10:09:10
Say again, please.
10:09:12
Did you have any interaction with FOIA
10:09:13
offices during your tenure Assistant Secretary
10:09:16
from 2007 2012?
10:09:20
None that recall.
10:09:24
Did you assist with any guidance
10:09:26
training related documents management?
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MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
You may answer the question.
MR. LEVY: not going instruct the
witness not answer the question. was vague and
MR. GARDNER:
10:09:39
10:09:45
10:09:35
Objection.
Are you instructing him? just thought
10:09:48
10:09:49
10:09:51 think think the
10:09:53
10:09:54
question vague, too.
MR. BEKESHA:
Okay.
10:09:56
MR. GARDNER: not sure what youre
10:09:56
10:09:58
saying.
Sure.
10:09:58 any point during your tenure
10:09:58
MR. BEKESHA:
Assistant Secretary did you help draft write
10:10:01
guidance training documents they related
10:10:05
document records management?
10:10:08
No.
10:10:18 know that youve testified elsewhere
10:10:18
several different issues and somewhere saw that
10:10:21
you held 8:00 a.m. daily meeting; that correct?
10:10:25
That correct.
10:10:31
Okay.
10:10:32
And what was that meeting about?
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which reviewed what had happened the past
10:10:37
hours, information that may have come from
10:10:40
various government agencies, that could
10:10:43
could get state play the world youd
10:10:46
like.
10:10:48
And generally who would attend those
10:10:51
meetings?
10:10:48
All Deputy Assistant Secretaries and
10:10:52
10:10:56
few other staff.
Department?
Excuse me?
Yes.
No.
Were all the attendees State Department
employees?
Yes.
10:11:09 any point during your tenure were there
10:11:13
Was everybody within the State
10:10:58
10:11:00
Attending meetings?
10:11:01
10:11:04 you mean all the
10:11:04
10:11:06
10:11:08
discussions during this 8:00 a.m. daily meeting
10:11:16
about email communications?
10:11:19 dont recall any specific discussions,
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
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but there may have been. you recall when that possibly was?
10:11:30 dont.
10:11:32 you recall anything additional about
10:11:34
No, was was seven years ago, and
10:11:40
10:11:45
more.
10:11:38
those meetings and those topics?
From your perspective, when did Secretary
10:11:48
Clintons transition the State Department begin?
10:11:51 dont remember her exact onboard date,
but was early whatever the year was.
2006.
2007
10:11:55
10:11:57
10:12:05
10:12:08
10:12:09 you recall
10:12:10
Thats right.
10:12:11 think she came January 21st, 2009.
10:12:15
MR. LEVY:
10:12:19
Objection.
Did did you have any discussions with
10:12:21
Secretary Clinton any her staff prior her
10:12:25
becoming Secretary State?
10:12:29
No.
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10:12:40
10:12:42
been very early her tenure.
10:12:35
10:12:37
Secretary Clinton? you know Secretary Clinton had
10:12:49
10:12:52
SCIF her houses? cant really discuss that.
10:12:55
MR. BEKESHA:
10:13:21
(Exhibit was marked for identification
and attached the transcript.)
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
Mark this Exhibit
This Boswell
10:13:23
10:13:24
10:13:25
10:13:27
Yes. you could take moment and read the
document and just look once youre done.
10:13:29
10:13:31 done.
10:13:51
Great.
10:13:52
Thank you.
Just for identification, you have before
10:13:56
you whats been marked Boswell Exhibit and
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appears email chain.
10:14:03
email chain email from Donald Reid dated
10:14:08
February 2nd, 2009, 5:55 p.m.; that correct?
10:14:11
And the top the
Appears right.
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Thank you.
10:14:19
Lets start off the top the email.
10:14:21
10:14:22
Who Donald Reid? think identified him earlier.
Hes
10:14:24 dont remember precisely his title, but was
10:14:27
Director for Security Infrastructure.
10:14:29
Okay. and Staff.
And the subject line says for
Who who what the Secretary State, and her
office staff her office.
10:14:31
10:14:38
10:14:41
10:14:44
Okay.
Yes.
10:14:49
And what PDAs?
10:14:52
Cell phones.
10:14:56
And thats her immediate office?
Personal digital assistants.
Even can that one.
10:14:47
10:14:59
Thank you.
10:15:01
Moving down, who Patrick Donovan?
10:15:03
Patrick Donovan was the time Deputy
10:15:07
Assistant Secretary for Countermeasures, one
10:15:10
Deputy Assistant Secretaries.
10:15:14
And generally speaking, what was his
what was that role?
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
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10:15:22
Reid, Donald Reids office.
But mainly the
10:15:24
technical and engineering side the State
10:15:27
Department, physical security, the engineering
10:15:31
staff.
10:15:36
Okay. that email there is, looks
like, capitalized and capitalized?
what that?
Who
10:15:37
10:15:43
10:15:49 dont recall exactly, but best
10:15:50
recollection that was office and were
10:15:55
both offices under Donald Reid.
10:16:00
have been one them might have been under
10:16:04
Donovan some other part Donovans empire.
10:16:07
Okay.
But they may not
10:16:11
And you dont recall what
10:16:12
specifically those offices were called? think Security Technology and Security
10:16:16
Infrastructure?
Okay.
10:16:14
Moving down the first email
the chain, the bottom email the chain.
appears email from you; that correct?
That
10:16:18
10:16:23
10:16:26
Appears be.
10:16:30
Okay.
10:16:31
And the first line says, the off
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chance that staff continues push for
10:16:34
TS-capable PDAs.
10:16:38 you see that?
10:16:42
Yes.
10:16:43 you recall what that means what you
10:16:43
were talking about that email? do. had heard that the Secretary
10:16:45
10:16:47
the new Secretarys staff was interested finding
10:16:53
out way secure way communicate with
10:16:57
their cell phone.
10:17:02 you recall who you heard that from?
10:17:04 not.
10:17:07 you recall what types devices they
10:17:09
10:17:12
wanted use? secure phone.
10:17:18
(Exhibit was marked for identification
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and attached the transcript.)
Great.
Thank you.
Just for identification purposes, you just
10:17:42
10:20:19
10:20:20
reviewed Boswell Exhibit which the top
10:20:23
marked DS014; that correct?
10:20:28
Yes.
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Looking this the first email
10:20:33 the chain, the email starts Erics request.
10:20:38 Eric you?
10:20:45
Top email.
10:20:48 the page.
10:20:49
Yeah, Eric me.
10:20:50
Okay.
10:20:51
Okay.
Sorry.
The first email
Further down that same paragraph the end the email states, Now NSA offering
10:20:56
briefing Tuesday and clearly are ready make
10:21:01
things happen.
10:21:05 you see that?
10:21:06
Where are looking?
10:21:08
Same email.
10:21:10
Oh.
10:21:11
Last sentence the first paragraph.
10:21:12 recall sorry?
10:21:13 just wondering you see that the
email. see that.
10:21:18
Okay. you recall NSA briefing?
10:21:19 recall whether there was NSA
10:21:29
Say again?
10:21:16
10:21:18
10:21:32
briefing?
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Yes.
10:21:33
Yes.
10:21:33
Okay.
Why was NSA briefing necessary?
MR. GARDNER:
10:21:34
10:21:45
Just very quickly for the
record, you can answer that question without
divulging classified information, please so.
10:21:51
you have question whether you can so,
10:21:54
can take break.
10:21:56
THE WITNESS:
10:21:46
Repeat the question, please.
10:21:57
Why was NSA briefing necessary?
10:22:05 recall, there had been interests
10:22:11
the part the Secretary new Secretary
10:22:15
States staff finding some way use their
10:22:17
Blackberries the office.
10:22:21
vulnerability associated with such use, there was
10:22:24
there was this meeting explore with NSA what any
10:22:30
options might be.
10:22:36
And because
Were there any options the State
Department that were available that time?
MR. LEVY:
Objection.
Clarify the
10:22:42
10:22:48
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question, please.
MR. BEKESHA:
10:22:40
Sure.
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overseeing large department that was related
10:22:55
security technology and infrastructure and
10:22:59
classified information.
10:23:02
sense why NSA had called the State
10:23:05
Department had what sounded you department
10:23:09
that handled these types matters?
10:23:12 just trying get dont think
10:23:13
MR. LEVY:
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Objection. can there.
10:23:14
MR. BEKESHA:
Okay.
10:23:16
THE WITNESS:
Sorry.
10:23:19
email chain.
just want you identify what NSA and what IAD
10:23:33
is.
10:23:37
Lets move the second page that the very top says NSA/IAD?
NSA the National Security Agency, and
Further down that page towards the end
theres name Debbie Plunkett?
Debbie Plunkett is?
10:23:24
10:23:39
10:23:42
have idea what IAD is.
10:23:21 you know who
No.
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paragraph, the one that begins apologize
10:24:06
front.
10:24:08
possibility re: the Blackberries. there talks about the art
10:24:12 you know what that means?
10:24:18
MR. LEVY:
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Objection. not going there.
10:24:20 that because that would contain
10:24:23
MR. LEVY:
Are you asking the witness
10:24:30
10:24:31
me?
10:24:25
classified information?
MR. BEKESHA: asking the witness.
10:24:34
Yes.
MR. BEKESHA:
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Okay.
Thank you. just
10:24:35
want clarify that hes not answering because its
10:24:36
classified and not because doesnt want to.
10:24:39
All right.
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Exhibit. can move the next
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10:24:50
Have you had chance review?
10:25:43
Yeah.
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10:25:47
the top the page; that correct?
10:25:53
Thats correct.
10:25:54
Looking the third email the chain
10:25:58
its Don Reid sends email Friday,
10:26:02
February 13th 3:58 p.m. where says, This
10:26:06
continuing come surprise.
10:26:10
think Eric has seen yet. and then two names that are redacted. dont
Ive given Greg, Pat
10:26:13
10:26:19 you see that?
10:26:22
Yes.
10:26:22
Are you Eric?
10:26:23
Yes.
10:26:25
Who Greg?
10:26:26 deputy.
10:26:27
What his full name?
10:26:28
Greg Starr, S-T-A-R-R.
And was Deputy
10:26:31
Assistant Secretary Principal Deputy Assistant
10:26:36
Secretary for Diplomatic Security, and also had
10:26:40
the title Director the Diplomatic Security
10:26:43
Service, DSS.
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Okay.
And generally, what was his job
10:26:47
10:26:49
responsibilities?
Overall was the top law enforcement
10:26:50
officer the State the Bureau, and his
10:26:53
responsibility was essentially overall supervision
10:26:56 the Bureau under direction.
10:27:00
Okay. you know who without
10:27:02
divulging their identity, you know who the two
10:27:13
individuals are that are redacted?
10:27:16
MR. BEKESHA:
Were going move
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10:27:27
the next exhibit.
10:27:19
No.
All right.
Thank you.
You have what front you marked
10:27:28
10:27:29
10:30:18
10:30:19
Boswell Exhibit and its identified DS016
10:30:22
the top; that correct?
10:30:28
Thats correct.
10:30:29
Okay.
10:30:30
Starting the email that begins
halfway down the page think the first email
10:30:36 the chain appears though recap
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correct?
10:30:49 appears thats what is.
10:30:51
Did you attend that meeting?
10:30:54 did not.
10:30:57 you know who Wayne Ashbery is?
10:31:00 do.
10:31:03
Who he?
10:31:05 director one the offices
10:31:06
10:31:10
under Deputy Assistant Secretary Donovan.
Okay.
And his his title here the end
the email.
10:31:16
And what was
10:31:20
Okay.
10:31:20
Thank you.
10:31:23
And what was his general job
10:31:26
responsibilities?
10:31:17 was the top engineering type officer
10:31:32
Diplomatic Security.
What does that mean? means was the technical guy.
fixed things.
and protect things.
10:31:34 supervised people who fixed things
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Okay. do.
10:31:46
Who he?
10:31:46 State Department officer who was
10:31:47 you know who John Dinger is?
10:31:41 the Bureau Intelligence and Research, INR, and
10:31:51
his title also down the end the email
10:31:56
chain.
10:31:59
for Intelligence and Research. see that was Acting Assistant Secretary
Okay.
And what does that mean?
10:32:03
What was
his responsibilities?
The Bureau Intelligence and Research
10:32:05
10:32:07
10:32:09 the piece the State Department that
10:32:12
involved with the Intelligence community, and thats
10:32:14
basically all can tell you.
10:32:16
Okay.
Thank you.
10:32:18
Who Charles Wisecarver?
10:32:20 have very dim memory who Charles
10:32:26
Wisecarver is.
10:32:29
Well, what that dim memory?
10:32:30 think official the Bureau
10:32:33
Administration, and particularly the people.
Okay.
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Administration.
Chief Technology Officer. see his title also
10:32:37 should remember him.
10:32:42 you know who Gary Stanley is?
10:32:46 not.
10:32:48
Following this meeting you recall
10:32:55
getting readout summary the meeting from
10:32:58
someone that attended?
10:33:01 not recall that.
10:33:02
Looking the first email, the very top
10:33:05
email that page. out several times day office they have
10:33:17
crafted for her outside the SCIF and plays email
10:33:21
catch-up.
10:33:24 Don Reid writes she does
10:33:09 you see that?
10:33:25 do.
10:33:26 you know who she refers to?
10:33:26
The first she line why doesnt she
10:33:38
use her desktop, presume thats think thats
10:33:42
Hillary Clinton.
10:33:48
Okay.
Thank you.
Did you during your tenure did you ever
meet with Secretary Clinton her office?
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Yes.
10:33:57
Did you ever see her leave her office
10:33:57
10:34:02
play email catch-up?
No.
10:34:04
Did you ever see Secretary Clinton using
10:34:06
Blackberry?
10:34:08
Yes.
10:34:09
Did you know what she was doing that
10:34:10
Blackberry?
10:34:13
10:34:14
No.
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
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Objection.
Move the next exhibit.
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10:34:15
10:34:33
10:34:35
10:34:38
10:34:46
10:34:51
Yeah, Ive read it.
10:35:50
All right.
10:35:51
Thank you.
This has been marked Boswell Exhibit and
10:35:53
its identified DS017 the top; that
10:35:56
correct?
10:35:58
Thats correct.
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Okay.
Looking the top email the
page, theres abbreviation S/EX.
that? you see
10:36:00
10:36:03
10:36:10 see it.
10:36:11 you know what that stands for?
10:36:12
Its incorrect abbreviation.
10:36:14
Okay.
10:36:18
The correct abbreviation SS/EX.
10:36:18
And what that stand for?
10:36:22
That the Administrative Office the
10:36:23
10:36:25
Secretary State.
Thank you.
Two lines down the email
10:36:27
reads, and her staff been briefed with respect
10:36:32 travel and technology vulnerabilities, question
10:36:36
mark.
10:36:42 you see that?
10:36:42
10:36:49 do.
Okay.
Did you ever speak with Donald Reid
10:36:50
about travel and technology vulnerabilities with
10:36:54
regards the Secretary her staff?
10:36:58
Yes.
10:37:04
Did you ever speak with Patrick Donovan
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10:37:10
Secretary and her staff?
10:37:16 dont recall.
10:37:21
Okay.
10:37:22
Without getting into classified
information, possible could you generally
10:37:25
describe what those discussions were about, what the
10:37:28
issue was?
10:37:31
MR. GARDNER:
And you cant answer that
10:37:33
question without divulging classified information,
10:37:36
please obviously not answer that question.
10:37:39 need take break that, can
10:37:41
that.
10:37:44
And dont dont think can answer that
10:37:45
question.
10:37:44
Okay.
Thank you.
Generally speaking, you recall how many
10:37:47
10:37:48
times you had conversations about that topic with
10:37:50
Donald Reid?
10:37:54
No, dont recall.
10:37:55 you recall when you had those
10:37:57
conversations? dont recall.
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10:38:02 you recall why you had those
conversations?
Did
10:38:03
approach you about the topics did you approach
10:38:08
him?
10:38:10
Let let clarify. dont recall.
10:38:12
Okay.
10:38:14
Thank you.
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10:38:36
Ive read it.
10:39:36
Great.
10:39:37
Thank you.
Whats been marked Boswell Exhibit
10:39:39
appears Information Memo For Cheryl Mills
10:39:42
from yourself with the subject, Use Blackberries
10:39:47 Mahogany Row; that correct?
10:39:50
Thats correct.
10:39:54
What Mahogany Row?
10:39:54
Mahogany Row refers the suite
10:39:56
offices occupied the Secretary State, her
10:40:00
staff and some the undersecretaries the State
10:40:03
Department.
10:40:05
Okay.
Mahogany Row all one floor.
And that all one floor?
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Okay. all Mahogany Row SCIF?
MR. LEVY:
MR. GARDNER:
Objection.
MR. BEKESHA:
Okay.
MR. GARDNER:
Okay.
10:40:15
10:40:18
Objection.
10:40:20
Classified?
Just
10:40:21
10:40:22
want make sure what the objection is.
10:40:24
Correct. you recall why you wrote this
10:40:26
10:40:28
memo? recall that the issue the use
10:40:36
Blackberries had been under discussion.
Blackberries Mahogany Row had been under
10:40:42
discussion with the Secretarys staff.
10:40:44
memo, recall, was attempt move that forward.
The use
And this
Did you have discussions with anyone
the Secretarys staff before writing this memo?
10:40:38
10:40:48
10:40:53
10:40:55 did not.
10:40:58
10:41:00 never received any inquiry from the
10:41:00
Secretarys staff regarding the use Blackberries
10:41:03
directly me.
10:41:05 you know where the inquiries went?
10:41:06 dont.
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How did you find out about the inquiries?
10:41:10
From staff.
10:41:13 you recall specifically who your
10:41:14
staff you found out from?
10:41:17 dont recall specifically.
10:41:19 there one person that would have been
10:41:20
more likely, based their job description,
10:41:22
bring that information your attention?
10:41:25
Two people.
Either Donald Reid Pat
10:41:34
Donovan.
10:41:28
Thank you.
10:41:35
Lets move down the think the
10:41:36
third paragraph that begins While cannot
10:41:42
recommend.
10:41:44
cannot recommend using Blackberries inside the
10:41:49
Mahogany Row and then theres redaction
10:41:51 not want stand the way issuing
10:41:55
Department Blackberries the Secretary and her
10:41:58
senior staff for use outside Mahogany Row.
10:42:00
That paragraph starts off, While you see that?
10:42:05 do.
10:42:05
Was there concern that time about the
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issuing State Department Blackberries the
10:42:12
Secretary and her staff?
10:42:16
What you mean concern?
10:42:18
You write not want stand the
10:42:22
way.
What does that mean?
Most Department State employees are
10:42:24
10:42:29
issued Blackberries connection with their work,
10:42:31
and could have done that for the Secretarys
10:42:33
staff.
10:42:36
Okay. you know when you wrote this
10:42:36
10:42:38
memo?
No.
10:42:42
Does the declassification date the top
10:42:47
mean anything based when the memo may have been
10:42:50
drafted around?
10:42:53 might.
10:42:55 you know Secretary Clinton was
10:42:58
issued Blackberry when she started the State
10:43:00
Department?
10:43:03 dont know that.
10:43:05 you know her staff was assigned
10:43:07
Blackberries when they started the State
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Department?
10:43:12 dont know that.
10:43:13
Moving down the next paragraph you
10:43:21
write, cannot stress too strongly, however, that
10:43:25
any unclassified Blackberry highly vulnerable
10:43:29
any setting remotely and covertly monitoring
10:43:32
conversations, retrieving emails and exploiting
10:43:37
calendars.
10:43:40 you see that?
10:43:41 do.
10:43:41
When you refer unclassified
10:43:43
Blackberries, what you mean what you
10:43:45
mean that term?
10:43:49
Its basically any Blackberry.
10:43:50
Does that include State Department
10:43:52
Blackberries?
10:43:54 does.
10:43:54 well personal Blackberries?
10:43:55
Yes.
10:43:57
And just just clear, that
10:44:02
paragraph you are discussing the use Blackberries
10:44:05
generally, not just Mahogany Row; that
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correct? that para that paragraph
10:44:12
talking about Blackberries generally,
10:44:14
vulnerabilities Blackberries general.
10:44:16
Great.
Thank you.
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10:44:19
10:44:28
10:44:29
Ive read it.
10:46:11
Great.
10:46:12
Thank you.
For identification purposes you were just
10:46:14
handed Boswell Exhibit
which has document number C01 sorry
10:46:23
C05891105 the bottom; that correct?
10:46:27
And lets with
10:46:17
Thats correct.
10:46:34
Okay.
10:46:34 the second page the document
the very first email says its IRM Front
10:46:45
Office.
10:46:50 you know what that is?
10:46:52
That the Office Information Resource
10:46:56
Management the Bureau Administration. you recall who was the head that
office that time?
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10:47:05
The staffers.
10:47:08 you you know what that is?
10:47:13
No.
10:47:14
Further that email, the email above
10:47:17
it, the line CIO/EA.
10:47:20 you know what that is?
10:47:26 dont recall, and dont want guess.
10:47:31
Sure.
10:47:36
guess. dont dont want you
Just let know what you know.
Moving the the first page, the
10:47:39
10:47:42
email the middle the page, the Wednesday,
10:47:46
March 11, 2009, 12:12 email.
10:47:49
The first paragraph that email reads,
10:47:56
After this mornings management meeting with the
10:47:58
A/Secys. that Assistant Secretaries?
10:48:01
Yes.
10:48:09
Assistant Secretaries the
management cone.
Management bureaus.
Its more limited meeting.
10:48:12
10:48:16
Okay.
10:48:18
More limited meeting than her large
10:48:19
10:48:21
meetings.
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How many people would have been those
10:48:22
10:48:23
meetings?
This particular meeting, dozen.
10:48:24
Okay.
10:48:28 dont recall.
10:48:29 you recall what offices they would have
10:48:30
Who are those people?
10:48:31
been? would the Assistant Secretaries for
10:48:31
the area offices, Counselor, Administration,
10:48:33
Security, and some others.
10:48:37
Okay. dont recall precisely, but every two
10:48:52
three weeks.
10:48:46
10:48:48
10:48:41
How often did these meetings occur?
Was the same people that
attended sorry, strike that.
Plus assorted staffers.
Something like that.
Was generally the same people would
attend each those meetings?
10:48:55
10:48:58
10:48:59
The same offices, but sometimes the
10:49:01
principal was not there, then deputy would go.
10:49:03 you recall email was ever discussed
during those meetings? dont recall.
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10:49:16
10:49:17 dont recall.
10:49:22 you recall records management was
10:49:23
ever discussed during that those meetings?
10:49:25 dont recall.
10:49:28
Turning your attention back the email
10:49:34
chain. continues, Secretary Clinton approached
10:49:37
Ambassador Boswell and mentioned that she had read
10:49:42
the and that she gets it.
10:49:46 you see that?
10:49:48 do.
10:49:48 you recall that encounter with
10:49:50
Secretary Clinton?
10:49:52
Yes.
10:49:53
What memo what IM?
10:49:55 information memo.
10:49:58 you know its the information
10:49:59
memo that was marked Exhibit
10:50:03 believe is.
10:50:07
What you recall about that
10:50:11
conversation?
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10:50:14
here, she approached me, mentioned the memo, said
10:50:18
that she gets it, added that not going have
10:50:22
any problems about that.
10:50:25
And should relate here that never got
10:50:26
any further inquiry from the Secretary the
10:50:29
Secretarys staff about anything this
10:50:31
this memo.
10:50:35
special use Blackberries Mahogany Row.
There were further requests for
Did she say specifically what she got
referred the entire entire IM?
10:50:38
10:50:43
10:50:46
She said what she said here.
10:50:49
Okay.
10:50:51
Was there any other discussion with
10:50:53
her?
Not that recall.
10:50:55 you know she that meeting she
10:50:58
spoke anyone else about the information memo?
10:50:59 dont know whether she did.
10:51:03
After you had that conversation with her,
10:51:06
did you talk speak with anybody about that
10:51:07
conversation you had with her?
10:51:11 believe relayed the get
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staff.
Who specifically your staff
10:51:18 dont remember.
10:51:21 you recall?
10:51:21 you recall you had any additional
10:51:23
10:51:18
conversations with any your staff beyond relaying
10:51:25
that she got it?
10:51:30 dont recall.
10:51:32
MR. BEKESHA:
10:51:38
Why dont take
10:51:40
five-minute break?
MR. LEVY:
THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
record.
10:51:42
Great. are going off the
10:51:43
10:51:44
The time 10:51. recess was taken.)
THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
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10:59:33 MR. BEKESHA:
10:59:37
Great.
10:59:15 are back the
Thank you.
Ambassador Boswell, before had break
10:59:32
10:59:38
10:59:39 were talking about any conversations any
10:59:41
additional conversations you had regarding your
10:59:45
conversation with Secretary Clinton about got
10:59:47
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10:59:52
Did you have any other additional
10:59:54
conversations about that issue? dont have any additional conversations,
10:59:57
but can recount incident that took place after
10:59:58
this meeting which affirmed understanding that
11:00:03
the Secretary understood security issues very
11:00:09
closely.
11:00:12
And that incident was had large the
11:00:12
Secretary chaired large staff meetings every week
11:00:17 cant remember how often during the week with
11:00:20
all her Assistant Secretaries.
11:00:23
the large staff meeting, few other hangers on.
was SCIF.
This was called
11:00:26
11:00:29
And the Secretary was usually the last
11:00:33
person come the room, naturally.
was seated before she before she arrived.
when she this course being SCIF was
11:00:41
area where you couldnt have cell phones.
11:00:45
Everybody
And
And when she came into the room she saw
11:00:35
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one her undersecretaries with cell phone,
11:00:51
Blackberry, operating the room.
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immediately said these were her first words when
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she came into the room she said, You cant have
11:01:02
that here, take out.
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great.
When you recall when that occurred?
11:01:10
Sometime earlier early her
11:01:12
Which made feel
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administration.
Okay. you know was one month
11:01:15
after that information memo, five months after,
11:01:17
year after?
11:01:21 was shortly after
11:01:21
Okay.
11:01:23 would say.
11:01:23
Okay. had few other questions.
11:01:25
just want back based few topics
11:01:28
discussed.
11:01:31
missed asking you some questions. usual, colleagues told
One was the Exhibit theres
Hold on.
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reference hyphen -MR. LEVY:
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Just let him get back the document.
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MR. BEKESHA:
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Oh, sure.
Theres reference TS-capable?
What
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does what does mean?
Top Secret capable.
11:01:59
Okay.
11:02:01 other words, machines that you can
11:02:03
discuss Top Secret information securely send
11:02:06
Top Secret information securely.
11:02:11
Okay.
11:02:13
Thank you.
Earlier were talking about your
8:00 a.m. daily meeting.
those meetings?
Were notes taken during
11:02:15
11:02:19 dont recall. you know minutes any any type
11:02:13 dont think so. written document came out the meetings?
11:02:20
11:02:21
11:02:23 dont think so.
11:02:28
Okay.
11:02:28
There were taskers that came out the
11:02:29
meetings; other words, action items were tasked
11:02:31
out from the meetings.
11:02:34 also talked about Secretary Clintons
management meetings.
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Right.
11:02:41 you recall notes were taken during
11:02:42
those meetings minutes were created after those
11:02:43
meetings?
11:02:46 dont recall.
11:02:47
Did you take notes during those meetings?
11:02:48 may have occasionally, something that
11:02:51
11:02:53
referred office. you know you kept those notes?
11:02:56 didnt.
11:02:58
Looking back the information memo.
11:03:14
MR. LEVY:
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MR. GARDNER:
Exhibit
11:03:24
MR. BEKESHA:
Exhibit yes, thank you.
11:03:25 the third paragraph when its talking
11:03:28
about Blackberries that can synchronized with
11:03:33
whole host capabilities guess those are
11:03:37
State Department Blackberries was one those
11:03:40
Blackberries, after this memo, issued Secretary
11:03:43
Clinton?
11:03:45
Which exhibit?
MR. GARDNER:
Objection form.
11:03:48
MR. BEKESHA:
You may answer the question.
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Would she based on, guess from your
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perspective, security perspective, had she asked
11:04:00
for one those Blackberries, would you have
11:04:03
allowed her receive one?
11:04:05
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
Objection, form.
You may answer the question.
11:04:07
11:04:10
Yes.
11:04:12
Ambassador Boswell, when did you first
11:04:17
become aware that Secretary Clinton was using non
11:04:19
state.gov email address conduct official
11:04:22
government business?
11:04:27 became aware when was revealed
11:04:28 the press after had left the State Department.
11:04:30
And after Secretary Clinton had left the
State Department well?
11:04:33
11:04:36
Yes.
11:04:37 think you mentioned before that
11:04:38
occasion you would see Secretary Clinton using
11:04:40
Blackberry?
11:04:43
Yes.
11:04:43
Did you receive emails from Secretary
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Clinton?
No.
11:04:47
Did you know what Secretary Clinton was
11:04:48
doing her Blackberry?
11:04:51 dont.
11:04:52
Did you think about whether she was
11:04:53
sending work-related emails the Blackberry?
11:04:57 did not.
11:05:01 you know Secretary Clinton was ever
11:05:03
assigned State Department email address?
11:05:05 believe she was.
11:05:10 you know what that email address is?
11:05:12 dont.
11:05:15 you know who would have assigned her would state.gov address.
that address?
11:05:18
11:05:20 dont know who.
11:05:22 you know what office that would have
11:05:23
11:05:25
been?
The Bureau Administration.
11:05:25 you know when that would have been
11:05:29
assigned her? dont.
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11:05:33
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Not knowledge.
11:05:38 you know Secretary Clinton was using
11:05:46
email during your tenure Secretary during
11:05:48
your tenure the State Department, did you know
11:05:52
Secretary Clinton was using email communicate
11:05:54
with State Department employees?
11:05:56 did not.
11:05:58 any point during your tenure did you
11:06:02
ever ask anyone whether Secretary Clinton was using
11:06:03
email conduct official government business?
11:06:07
No.
11:06:10
During your tenure did you ever discuss
11:06:29
with anyone whether Secretary Clinton was using
11:06:34
email conduct official government business?
11:06:36 did not.
11:06:39
Did you ever ask anyone about the
11:06:42
Blackberry that Secretary Clinton was using?
11:06:45 dont recall.
11:06:51 you recall whether you asked anyone
11:06:53
the have you had any conversations with anyone
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about whether the State Department issued Secretary
11:06:58
Clinton Blackberry?
11:07:00 did not.
11:07:02
Were you surprised when you saw Secretary
11:07:06
11:07:09
Clinton using Blackberry?
No.
11:07:11 you know Secretary Clinton was ever
11:07:24
advised using state.gov email address
11:07:26
conduct official government business?
11:07:32 dont.
11:07:34 you know anyone authorized her
11:07:35
11:07:36
use the clintonemail.com email account? not.
11:07:41 you know her use the
11:07:42
clintonemail.com account conflicted with State
11:07:45
Department policies, practices and procedures?
11:07:48
Say again?
11:07:52 you know Secretary Clintons use
11:07:53
the clintonemail.com email address conflicted with
11:07:57
State Department policies, practices and procedures?
11:08:01
MR. LEVY:
THE WITNESS:
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Objection, form.
Can ahead?
Okay.
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The issue really whether she was
11:08:12
conducting official business this her
11:08:14
Blackberry, her personal server.
11:08:18
And whether there was any classified business being
11:08:22
handled there.
11:08:24
Okay.
Thats one.
And would have been against
11:08:26
State Department policies, practices procedures
11:08:29 talk about State Department business the
11:08:32
personal Blackberry, personal email account?
11:08:37
MR. LEVY:
Objection, form.
The Department guidance was avoid doing
11:08:41
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that.
What about sending classified information,
11:08:47
sending receiving classified information, the
11:08:48
personal Blackberry?
11:08:54 State Department policies, practices and
11:08:56
procedures?
11:08:59
Yes.
11:09:02
From security standpoint important
11:09:05
Would that have been contrary
for the State Department employees use State
11:09:07
Department email accounts conduct government
11:09:09
business?
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Yes.
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Had you known that Secretary Clinton was
11:09:16
using clintonemail.com email account conduct
11:09:18
official government business, would you have stopped
11:09:23
her?
11:09:26
MR. LEVY:
MR. GARDNER:
Objection, form.
11:09:28
MR. BEKESHA:
You may answer the question.
11:09:29
Objection, form. had become aware that she was doing
11:09:27
11:09:30
that, would have asked for briefing from
11:09:31
staff what the implications were and what the
11:09:34
vulnerabilities were what the legalities were.
11:09:39
And once found out, would communicate that
11:09:40
her staff.
11:09:44
And none that ever you never found
out none that ever happened
11:09:45
11:09:47
Correct.
11:09:49 that correct?
11:09:49
Correct.
11:09:50
Because the use strike that.
11:09:59
Because the use State Department
11:10:17
Blackberry State Department email account
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dont want put words your mouth hate
11:10:24
saying important but had you known, you talked
11:10:27
about you would have done something because your
11:10:30
thoughts it, did you ever think about her use
11:10:33
her Blackberry when you saw her using her
11:10:37
Blackberry?
11:10:39
MR. LEVY:
You can answer you
THE WITNESS:
Sure.
11:10:45
11:10:46
understand, but...
11:10:41
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MR. BEKESHA:
Rephrase the
question.
Objection, form.
Well, rephrase the question. just trying trying
11:10:48
11:10:50
figure out you know, youre charge
11:10:51
security, securing classified information, making
11:10:54
sure the systems are working, informations
11:10:56
protected.
11:10:59
Blackberry.
about providing Blackberry Secretary Clinton.
11:11:05 just wondering did you ever think about
11:11:08
You saw Secretary Clinton using
You had all these discussions early
11:11:02 dont want say
11:11:14
very much this deposition all except that its
11:11:16
dangerous characterize hour testimony
11:11:18
MR. LEVY:
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couple sentences, and you want just ask
11:11:21
questions, that would helpful.
11:11:23
MR. BEKESHA:
Sure.
11:11:26
MR. LEVY:
Thank you.
11:11:26
Did you ever think about Secretary
11:11:27
Clintons use Blackberry and after having
11:11:28
all these conversations, did you ever give any
11:11:33
thought Secretary Clintons use Blackberry?
11:11:35
MR. GARDNER:
MR. LEVY:
Okay.
Objection, form.
Objection, form.
Use Blackberries was routine
11:11:40
11:11:42
11:11:43
the State Department.
everybody did it, and didnt see anything peculiar
11:11:48
about Secretary Clinton using Blackberry.
11:11:51
Everybody did it, almost
11:11:45
Blackberry?
11:11:55 did.
11:11:56
Did you ever ask anyone follow
11:11:59
Did you assume was State Department
that assumption?
11:11:54
11:12:02
No.
11:12:04
During your State Department employment
11:12:11
did you ever receive Freedom Information Act
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training?
Probably.
11:12:19
You dont recall specifically?
11:12:22 goodness, mean get routine
11:12:25
briefings upon entry and and on.
37-year career.
some point, maybe more than one. had probably did get some briefing
Okay. colleague from the management legal you recall
would probably tell me.
11:12:27
11:12:30
11:12:33
11:12:36
11:12:36
11:12:39 you recall you ever had training
11:12:41
related emails and FOIA that may move
11:12:42
little bit closer time that you can remember?
11:12:48 think there are routine security
11:12:51
briefings about care and feeding
11:12:54
information the State Department.
11:12:55
Okay.
11:12:59 sure had that.
11:12:59 you recall your strike that.
11:13:03
Did you ever use personal email conduct
11:13:04
official government business? dont recall, but dont think so.
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Okay. you know any your
11:13:10
employees any your immediate staff used
11:13:12
personal email conduct government business?
11:13:15 dont know.
11:13:17
Did you ever have deal with that issue
11:13:18
11:13:22
during your tenure?
The Bureau Diplomatic Security
11:13:23
more than once think issued reminders people
11:13:28
not that.
11:13:31
Yes.
Did you ever
11:13:32 fact, think the Secretary State
11:13:32
sent one, least one, Department notice about
11:13:34
warning people about doing that.
11:13:40
And why why dont you think you used
11:13:43
personal email conduct official government
11:13:45
business?
11:13:48
their head. cant really characterize whats
You sorry.
11:13:49
11:13:50
You, Ambassador
Boswell, why you think you didnt?
11:13:52
11:13:55
Why think didnt?
11:13:57
Didnt use personal why didnt you use
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personal email conduct government business?
recommended.
Because knew that was not
11:14:00
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MR. BEKESHA:
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Ive read it.
11:15:31
Great.
11:15:32
Thank you.
Whats been marked Boswell Exhibit
11:15:33 document that marked DS024; that correct?
11:15:35 the top?
11:15:43
Yes.
11:15:44
Okay.
Gentry Smith was officer the
Perfect.
Who Gentry Smith?
11:15:44
11:15:49
Bureau who worked under the Deputy Assistant
11:15:53
Secretary for Countermeasures.
11:15:57
And what was his general job description?
11:15:58 dont recall exactly.
11:16:01
Okay.
11:16:03
Now that youve had chance
review these emails, you know what the emails are
11:16:06
talking about?
11:16:12
MR. GARDNER:
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Yeah, cant put head there.
11:16:16
Okay.
11:16:18 you recall having any
conversations with Don Reid February 2011
11:16:20
about electronic devices the seventh floor?
11:16:24 dont recall the specific conversations,
11:16:29
but definitely had conversations with Don Reid
11:16:31
about that issue.
11:16:35
issue?
Okay.
And generally what what was the
11:16:36
11:16:38
Well, they led the the information
11:16:39
management the information memo earlier cited
11:16:42 the Secretary Cheryl Mills, called Use
11:16:46
Blackberries Mahogany Row.
11:16:50
Okay.
Boswell Exhibit
Lets you look the date
11:16:53
this email, its February 2011.
different
11:17:01
Okay.
11:17:02 different time period from the
11:17:02 think its
11:16:57
11:17:03
information memo. then dont know what this is.
11:17:08
Okay.
11:17:11 guess lets back then.
think was the information memo that were
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discussing before Exhibit that right
11:17:15 Exhibit you know that was drafted
11:17:19
2009 2011?
11:17:21
2009.
11:17:24
Okay.
11:17:24 really dont know what this what
11:17:30
11:17:34
this email about. you recall concern
11:17:37
February 2011 about vulnerabilities portable
11:17:41
devices?
11:17:46
Yes, and think they were conversations
11:17:52
about the vulnerabilities particular using
11:17:55
portable devices overseas travel.
11:18:00
Okay.
11:18:02
Thank you.
MR. BEKESHA:
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MR. LEVY:
Nine? have two.
You got one?
THE WITNESS:
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11:18:30
11:18:34 you have
11:18:07
(No verbal response.)
11:18:41
Ive read it.
11:19:25
Great.
11:19:26
Thank you.
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identified DS025; that correct?
Yes. the top?
11:19:27
11:19:30
11:19:35
Okay. didnt mean
11:19:36
confuse you before try trick you, hopefully
11:19:38
this email may help.
11:19:41
Its jogged memory.
11:19:43
Great.
11:19:45
Thank you. the very top email this exhibit
11:19:46 looks like Don Reid writing, have memo
11:19:51 re: malicious cyber activity directed toward
11:19:55
Department seniors that circulating final
11:20:00
clearance.
11:20:03 you see that?
11:20:04 do.
11:20:04
What memo?
11:20:05 memo from the Secretary.
11:20:07
Okay.
11:20:09
The Secretary.
11:20:11
Okay.
11:20:13 do.
Moving on.
And the Secretary? you recall this memo?
11:20:15
The next sentence, Ambassador
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Boswell would like use approach and
11:20:21
Ambassador Mull about setting this briefing for
11:20:25
seniors and key staff.
11:20:28 you see that?
11:20:30
11:20:30 do.
Okay.
The Undersecretary for Management.
11:20:33
And that was Mr. Kennedy?
11:20:35
Yes.
11:20:37
And who Ambassador believe
11:20:37
Who
thats Ambassador Mull?
Ambassador Steve Mull was the
Executive Secretary the Department.
11:20:32
11:20:39
11:20:42
11:20:46
Okay. dont recall.
11:20:54
Okay.
11:20:55
And did briefing ever take place?
What was going the topic
that briefing?
The memo the Secretary regarding
11:20:47
11:20:57
11:20:59
malicious cyber activity concerns possible threat
11:21:03
not only her but the the Department
11:21:08
employees general, and think was our
11:21:11
intention sensitize the rest Mahogany Row
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staff.
one place.
Pretty hard get those folks together
11:21:20
11:21:23
And that explains why the issue timing
11:21:24
was discussed here.
large staff the seventh floor regarding
11:21:30 regarding what says here, malicious cyber
11:21:36
activity.
11:21:40 set briefing for the
11:21:26
What malicious cyber activity?
11:21:40
Spear phishing.
11:21:42 that related email?
11:21:43
Yes.
11:21:45
And you just mentioned that was con
11:21:45 sorry that was forget your exact word.
11:21:48
Was concern her and staff?
11:21:58
The memo was addressed her, but
11:22:00
wanted use the opportunity having addressed
11:22:02
memo her and the timing able get senior
11:22:05
staff together could give them briefing
11:22:09
about the threat.
11:22:11
Okay. this time did you know
11:22:13
Secretary Clinton was using email conduct
11:22:15
government business?
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Did you know the malicious cyber
11:22:20
activity threat was concern Secretary Clinton
11:22:24
specifically?
11:22:28 not sure what you mean that.
11:22:31 her information, her not not
11:22:34 the State Department large her staff,
11:22:38
but more
11:22:40 cant put myself into her head this.
11:22:41
Farther down the page the next
11:22:49
two emails down says would love participate.
11:22:54
Still the first page
11:23:03
Sorry.
11:23:05 about eight lines so.
11:23:05
MR. LEVY:
11:23:09
(Indicating) says
11:23:10
Yeah.
11:23:11 you know who is?
11:23:11 normally not guessing.
11:23:13
normally refers the Counselor the State
11:23:15
Department, but could also refer the Deputy
11:23:18
Assistant Secretary for Countermeasures
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Okay. here.
Mills.
Okay.
And were referring the
You know, dont think was Cheryl
11:23:30
11:23:31
11:23:34
11:23:39
All right.
Were going
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11:23:41
mark this Exhibit 10.
11:23:24
11:23:29
MR. BEKESHA:
Who Don Reid and Gentry
Counselor, who was the Counselor that time?
11:23:24
Smiths boss.
This may little bit
11:23:43
11:23:44
11:23:57
difficult read but hopefully will get the job
11:23:59
done.
11:24:02
THE WITNESS:
who is?
Can back second looking this
11:24:04
11:24:05
MR. BEKESHA:
Sure.
11:24:08
THE WITNESS: this exchange, and
11:24:08 increasingly look it, think Deputy
11:24:10
Assistant Secretary DS, Pat Donovan.
11:24:14
MR. BEKESHA:
Okay.
Thank you.
11:24:21
THE WITNESS: think thats who is.
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11:24:28
because she was also Chief Staff the
11:24:32
Secretary.
11:24:34
MR. BEKESHA:
Okay.
THE WITNESS:
Ive read it.
Thank you.
11:26:01
11:26:02 MR. BEKESHA:
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Great.
Thank you.
Whats been marked Exhibit
11:26:02
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Information Memo For The Secretary from you with the
11:26:09
subject, Compromise Officials Personal Email
11:26:12
Accounts; that correct?
11:26:16
Correct.
11:26:19
Okay.
11:26:20 this the memo that you were just
referring few moments ago?
11:26:23 believe is.
11:26:24
Okay.
11:26:25 certainly didnt write it. you recall writing this memo?
Somebody wrote for signature.
11:26:27
11:26:29 you recall
11:26:31
One the virtues being Assistant
11:26:32
Secretary you dont have write anything.
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11:26:36 do.
11:26:37
Okay.
11:26:38
Thank you.
11:26:42
Again, want careful about
revealing any classified information.
you so. the memo talks about says
11:26:46
since January 2011 attempts looks though
11:26:54
someone something was attempting compromise
11:26:59
the private home emails email accounts senior
11:27:03
department officials.
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Not asking that okay way characterize? know
11:26:43
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the who was doing was redacted and its hard
11:27:12
read with the redactions there.
11:27:15
MR. GARDNER: not sure what the
11:27:20
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question is.
MR. LEVY:
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Yes. just trying establish
11:27:22
that there was that they were seeing increase
11:27:23 attempts the compromise private home email
11:27:29
accounts senior Department officials.
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the purpose for why the memo was written.
And thats say that since signed off it,
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its perfectly clear what means.
officials were that were being targeted? you know who the senior U.S. Government
MR. GARDNER:
Youre not asking reveal
11:27:39
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the names, just does
MR. BEKESHA:
Does know.
11:27:53
MR. GARDNER: have that information?
11:27:53
MR. BEKESHA:
Does know.
11:27:54
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
Sorry.
Today.
Yes. know who they were,
11:27:55
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know simply that they were senior government
11:27:58
officials?
11:28:01
MR. BEKESHA: you know who they were?
11:28:02
MR. GARDNER:
You can answer that with
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yes no.
11:28:05 dont know.
Down the next paragraph just want
11:28:15 was the issue was with unclassified
11:28:17
confirm.
personal email accounts.
that correct?
Too long ago.
That was the target;
Thats correct.
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Okay. the next paragraph the memo
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states, also urge Department users minimize
11:28:28
the use personal web email for business, some
11:28:32
compromised home systems have been reconfigured
11:28:36
these actors automatically forward copies all
11:28:42
composed emails undisclosed recipient.
11:28:45 you see that?
11:28:50
Yes, see it.
11:29:00
Did you ever you know Secretary
11:29:04
Clinton received this memo? she received it. was addressed her but dont know
Did you ever speak with her about the
11:29:06
11:29:11
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11:29:15
11:29:16
memo? dont recall.
11:29:18 you recall you spoke her about
11:29:20
the contents the memo?
11:29:22 dont recall.
11:29:25 you recall you spoke anyone
11:29:27
Secretary Clintons staff about the memo?
11:29:30 dont recall.
11:29:33
Did you speak anyone Secretary
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Clintons staff about the contents the memo?
11:29:37 dont recall.
11:29:41 you know anyone your staff spoke
11:29:43 Secretary Clinton about the contents the
11:29:46
email?
11:29:48 dont know.
11:29:48 you know anybody your staff spoke
11:29:49 anyone Secretary Clintons staff about the
11:29:52
memo the contents the memo?
11:29:57 dont know.
11:29:59 you know who somebody were
11:30:01
speak Secretary Clintons staff, you know who
11:30:04
that individual would have been?
11:30:06
MR. LEVY:
MR. GARDNER:
Objection, foundation.
11:30:10
MR. BEKESHA:
You can answer.
11:30:12
Objection form. staff did not normally speak the
MR. BEKESHA:
(Exhibit was marked for identification
Mark this Exhibit 11.
and attached the transcript.)
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Secretarys staff.
11:30:09
One other question before turn
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attention the next exhibit. you know any
11:30:57
briefings were conducted based that information
11:31:00
memo?
11:31:02
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
place.
Okay. believe that that briefing took
Okay. you know who conducted that dont know. would mostly the
people the signing list this memo. you know who would have been the
11:31:10
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briefing? dont know.
Okay.
11:31:08
11:31:27
briefing?
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11:31:24
Exhibit that Ambassador
Boswell was just looking at.
When you say
that information memo...
Objection, form. dont recall.
Thank you. can now turn the next exhibit, which
has been marked Exhibit 11.
11:31:38
11:31:40
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Ive read it.
11:32:34
Great.
11:32:35
Youre taking look whats
been marked Boswell Exhibit which has Bates
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number the bottom right-hand corner HRC-2512;
11:32:44 that correct?
11:32:49
Correct.
11:32:49
Could you identify what this is?
11:32:51
Yes, its circular cable addressed
11:32:54
All Diplomatic and Consular Posts.
frequently sent all kinds issues.
about securing personal email accounts.
Such cables were
This one
11:32:57
11:33:03
11:33:06
And this was sent from the
11:33:09
Secretary State, from Secretary Clinton?
11:33:14
Okay. was sent was finally approved
11:33:17
the Secretarys office, all such cables would be,
11:33:20
but and course her signature appears the
11:33:24
bottom, does all outgoing State Department
11:33:28
cables when shes Washington.
11:33:32
Okay.
Any cable any subject will have Clinton
Boswell.
Okay.
11:33:34
11:33:35
11:33:38 the end it.
And
Thank you.
11:33:39 the second page says approved
11:33:40
What does that mean?
11:33:44
Its approved me.
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Looking the second page
11:33:52
Can correct something said earlier?
11:33:55
Yes.
11:33:57 looking this thing and dont see
11:33:57
any clearance from the Secretary States office
11:33:59 doesnt appear that ever went there.
11:34:01
Okay. all this all these clearing offices
Okay.
Oh, there is.
11:34:10
S/ES-O.
That would
Okay. its memo that was drafted
somebody whose name redacted.
clearance process
11:34:11
11:34:15
the Secretariat somewhere.
11:34:07
11:34:09
down the bottom.
11:34:05 goes through
11:34:17
11:34:20
11:34:24
Correct.
11:34:24 and then you have final approval it?
11:34:24
Correct.
11:34:27
Okay.
11:34:27
And then sent out under
Secretary Clintons name.
All the cables going out from the State
Department were sent out under her name.
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Okay.
11:34:39
Looking further that page, number
11:34:39
Yes.
Thank you. letter says Avoid conducting official
11:34:42
Department business from your personal email
11:34:45
accounts.
11:34:48 you see that?
11:34:48 do.
11:34:49
And then not reveal your personal
11:34:49
email address your work Out Office message.
11:34:53 you see that?
11:34:56
11:34:57 do.
Okay.
Thank you.
11:34:57
Did you ever speak Secretary Clinton
11:35:00
Great.
11:35:01
about this cable?
No.
11:35:02
Did you ever speak any her staff
11:35:04
11:35:08
about this cable? did not speak any her staff.
11:35:15
There was this information memorandum that youve
11:35:18
already put into the record.
11:35:20
Okay. besides the information memo,
you dont recall any additional any meetings,
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conversations, emails with her staff about the memo,
11:35:29
the content?
11:35:34 dont recall.
11:35:35
Okay.
11:35:36
Thank you. you know recall anyone your
11:35:38
office had any conversations with the Secretarys
11:35:40
staff about this cable?
11:35:44
11:35:46 dont know.
MR. BEKESHA:
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five-minute break.
MR. LEVY:
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Okay.
are going off the record. recess was taken.)
THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
record. MR. BEKESHA:
Stand by, please.
The time 11:36.
11:35:56
Why dont take
11:36:03
11:45:30 are back the
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And the time 11:46.
Great.
11:36:01
11:46:01
Thank you, Ambassador. just
11:46:03
have couple more questions and then can get out
11:46:06 here.
11:46:09
Going back Exhibit 11, which was the
last document that you were looking at.
The
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the second page when were talking about whether
11:46:21 not was cleared the office the
11:46:23
Secretary, you said appears though was
11:46:26
because the S/ES-O.
11:46:29 you know who what Macklin?
11:46:34 dont know who she is.
11:46:39
S/ES
the large office the Secretary, not the immediate
11:46:42
staff.
11:46:48
Secretariat?
11:46:51 there, yes.
11:46:51
Okay.
Can just clarify?
11:46:59
Yes.
11:47:00 think theyre there only because that
11:47:00
Okay.
The Office the Executive
Thank you.
Lets briefly back.
11:46:49
11:46:52
office required clear, believe, any
11:47:02
all-deck, all-posts cable.
11:47:07
bureaus that you see here, Africa, AF/EX, WHA,
11:47:11
Western Hemisphere, and on.
11:47:15
Just like the regional
Okay.
Those are all regional bureaus.
11:47:18
They have clear anything thats going all around.
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Okay.
Perfect.
Thank you.
11:47:25
Lets
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briefly back Exhibit
Just looking just brief question.
When
11:47:48
discussing the use Blackberries the SCIF, did
11:47:52
you have understanding why the Secretary was
11:47:59
asking able use her Blackberry this
11:48:02 Mahogany Row?
11:48:06
MR. LEVY:
MR. GARDNER:
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA:
Objection, form.
Objection.
Can you rephrase that, please?
Sure. you you know why what the
11:48:08
11:48:10
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11:48:12
11:48:13
reason was that Secretary Clinton was asking her
11:48:15
staff was asking for the use Blackberries
11:48:18
Mahogany Row?
11:48:21
MR. LEVY:
THE WITNESS: ahead and answer?
11:48:27
MR. BEKESHA:
Yeah, you may answer.
11:48:29
Objection. believe was because they were used
11:48:24
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using Blackberries.
trail and they were, one the mentioned
11:48:36 one these memos, wedded their their
11:48:41
They had come from the campaign
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Blackberries and was convenience issue.
wanted able have them their desks where
11:48:48
they were working and they werent allowed have
11:48:51
that.
11:48:53
They
And when you talk about they, does that
her own.
11:48:53
11:48:56
include Secretary Clinton?
11:48:45 dont know whether she ever expressed
11:48:57
Certainly not me.
11:48:58
Okay.
11:49:00 also discussed earlier briefly
about there was meeting with the NSA.
question the question guess didnt ask the
11:49:11
time was were there any options provide more
11:49:14
secure Blackberry without the NSAs assistance?
11:49:17
MR. GARDNER:
Objection, form.
11:49:06
11:49:24 not going there.
11:49:24
Okay.
11:49:26
Thank you.
Ambassador Boswell, besides counsel,
11:49:29
either your counsel State Departments counsel,
11:49:32
have you spoken anyone about your testimony?
11:49:34
Testimony here today?
11:49:38
About your testimony today.
11:49:39
No.
11:49:42 wife.
Said was coming here,
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Did you talk about the substance
11:49:46
MR. LEVY:
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Privileged.
No.
11:49:49
Ambassador Boswell, did you review any
11:49:50
documents records preparation for today?
11:49:52
Yes.
11:49:54
What did you review?
11:49:55 reviewed two the documents that are
11:49:57
And you want know which ones?
11:49:59 here.
Yes, please.
11:50:02
And reviewed also deposition before
11:50:03
Now, which ones did I... reviewed
MR. LEVY:
MR. BEKESHA: version it. dont know youve reviewed that very document. sorry.
11:50:25
11:50:26
11:50:28
Okay.
11:50:32 version it.
MS. COTCA:
11:50:13
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Boswell Boswell 10.
11:50:08
the House some years ago.
Which one did you
11:50:36
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-THE WITNESS:
Boswell 10.
And reviewed
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Okay.
Thank you.
Have you spoken
11:50:41
11:50:43
Secretary Clinton about her use non State
11:50:46
Department email since you both left the State
11:50:51
Department?
11:50:55
No.
11:50:56
Have you talked Miss Huma Abedin any
11:50:57
point about use her Secretary Clintons use
11:51:02
personal email since you left the State Department?
11:51:06
No.
11:51:08
Have you spoken Cheryl Mills, since you
11:51:09
left the State Department, about Secretary Clintons
11:51:12
use personal email?
11:51:15
No.
11:51:16
Have you talked any their
11:51:17
representatives attorneys about that issue?
11:51:19
No.
11:51:21
Besides State Department counsel, since
11:51:24
you left the State Department have you spoken
11:51:26
anybody the State Department about Secretary
11:51:28
Clintons use clintonemail.com conduct
11:51:30
government business?
11:51:36
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No.
11:51:37
Have you talked any former State
11:51:37
Department employees about the issue, since you left
11:51:38
the State Department?
11:51:41
surprised. you know who you spoke with?
11:51:47
No.
11:51:48
Are you currently employed?
11:51:52
No.
11:51:53
Has Secretary Clinton anyone associated
11:51:56
with you sorry associated with her offered you
11:51:58
any future employment?
11:52:02
Yes, just general issue. were
11:51:43
11:51:45
No.
11:52:03 Secretary Clinton any anyone
11:52:04 entity associated with her paying your legal
11:52:07
bills related this matter any other matters
11:52:11
concerning Secretary Clintons use State
11:52:14
Department email?
11:52:16
No.
11:52:18
Similarly, has Secretary Clinton anyone
11:52:20 entity associated with her provided you with any
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11:52:25
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11:52:32
government business?
11:52:36
No.
11:52:36 the best your knowledge, have all
11:52:37
you have your answers today been truthful?
11:52:41
Yes.
MR. BEKESHA:
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THE VIDEO OPERATOR:
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much, Ambassador Boswell.
11:52:39
Stand by, please.
11:52:47
This marks the end the video deposition Eric
11:52:49
Boswell.
11:52:53 11:52. are going off the record and the time
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THE COURT REPORTER:
Are you ordering
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copy?
MR. LEVY:
MR. GARDNER:
MR. PEZZI:
11:53:01
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Levy, yes.
Mr. Levy?
Sure.
And are.
And you can email Pezzi about
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Alda, going cancel
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because
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before
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Conducted May 2019
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Conducted May 2019
columbia
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correct
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covertly
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daily
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dangerous
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Conducted May 2019
dated
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day
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deal
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debbie
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declassification
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defendant
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definitely
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departments
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describe
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desks
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desktop
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devices
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discussing
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district
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divulging
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document
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Conducted May 2019
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don
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dss
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duly
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during
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e-r-i-c
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each
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earlier
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early
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easier
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eight
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either
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electronic
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else
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elsewhere
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email
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55:3, 55:22,
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59:15, 60:1,
61:15, 62:7,
Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
63:6, 63:9,
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emails
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emphasize
9:7
empire
21:13
employed
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employees
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employment
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encounter
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end
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enforcement
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engineering
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ensure
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ensuring
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entail
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entire
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entity
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entry
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eric
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erics
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es-o
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esquire
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essentially
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establish
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even
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ever
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every
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everybody
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exact
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exactly
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examination
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examined
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except
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exchange
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excuse
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executive
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exhibit
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exhibits
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expires
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explains
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exploiting
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explore
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expressed
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fact
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fall
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farther
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fast
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february
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feeding
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feel
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fell
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few
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figure
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final
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finally
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financial
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find
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finding
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
first
7:14, 19:1,
21:18, 21:22,
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23:15, 28:21,
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five
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five-minute
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77:10
fixed
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floor
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focus
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foia
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folks
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follow
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following
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follows
7:17
foregoing
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forget
65:13
form
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57:10, 72:14,
73:4, 79:8,
80:14
former
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forward
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found
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55:15
foundation
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freedom
8:1, 14:15,
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frequently
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friday
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from
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front
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full
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further
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future
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gardner
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gary
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gathered
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gathering
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general
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generally
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gentry
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gestures
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get
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gets
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getting
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give
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given
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goes
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going
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good
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goodness
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got
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gov
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government
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governmental
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great
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77:18
Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
greg
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27:18
ground
8:11
guards
11:19
guess
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49:17, 50:2,
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guessing
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guidance
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guy
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had
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79:20
halfway
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hand
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handed
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handled
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hang
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hangers
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happen
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happened
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happy
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hard
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has
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hate
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have
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having
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hes
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head
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hear
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heard
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held
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help
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helpful
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hemisphere
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her
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PLANET DEPOS
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here
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hereby
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hereunto
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highly
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hillary
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him
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his
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hold
9:22, 47:20
home
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Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
71:4
hopefully
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host
49:17
hour
56:22
hours
17:3
house
81:13
houses
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how
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however
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hrc5:20, 74:1
huma
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hyphen
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ill
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ive
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iad
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idea
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identification
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identified
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identify
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identity
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immediate
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immediately
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implications
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important
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inc
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incentives
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incident
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include
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included
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incorrect
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increase
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increasingly
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indicating
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indirect
11:18
indirectly
11:14
individual
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individuals
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information
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informations
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infrastructure
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inquiries
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inquiry
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inr
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inside
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inspector
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instruct
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instructing
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intelligence
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intended
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intention
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interaction
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interest
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interested
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interests
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into
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involved
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irm
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issue
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issued
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issues
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issuing
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its
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33:6, 39:14,
40:16, 41:18,
43:18, 49:15,
56:21, 61:15,
63:7, 69:12,
Transcript Eric James Boswell
Conducted May 2019
70:1, 74:5,
74:22, 75:13
items
48:19
its
86:12
j-a-m-e-s
8:9
james
1:11, 2:1, 5:2,
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january
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job
1:19, 28:1,
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jogged
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john
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joshua
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judicial
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just
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65:12, 68:14,
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83:5
justice
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keeping
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kennedy
13:18, 64:8
kept
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key
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kinds
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knew
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know
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knowledge
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known
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large
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last
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lauren
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law
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lawsuits
8:2
least
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leave
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led
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left
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legal
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legalities
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let
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