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Transcript Bryan Michael Pagliano
Date: June 22, 2016
Case: Judicial Watch, Inc. -v- U.S. Department State
Planet Depos, LLC
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Worldwide Court Reporting Interpretation Trial Services THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT COLUMBIA
JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.,
Plaintiff, Civil Action No.
U.S. DEPARTMENT STATE, 13-cv-1363(EGS)
Defendant.
Videotaped Deposition BRYAN MICHAEL PAGLIANO
Washington,
Wednesday, June 22, 2016
9:31 a.m.
Job No.:
114999
Reported by:
Debra Whitehead
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Videotaped Deposition BRYAN MICHAEL PAGLIANO,
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Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016 BEHALF PLAINTIFF:
RAMONA COTCA, ESQUIRE
JAMES PETERSON, ESQUIRE
MICHAEL BEKESHA, ESQUIRE
PAUL ORFANEDES, ESQUIRE
JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.
425 Third Street,
Suite 800
Washington, 20024
(202) 646-5172 BEHALF DEFENDANT:
STEVEN MYERS, ESQUIRE
MARCIA BERMAN, ESQUIRE
CAROLINE LEWIS WOLVERTON, ESQUIRE
ELIZABETH SHAPIRO, ESQUIRE
U.S. DEPARTMENT JUSTICE
CIVIL DIVISION Massachusetts Avenue,
Washington, 20530
(202) 514-2205
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ALISON WELCHER, ESQUIRE
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT STATE
OFFICE THE LEGAL ADVISOR
2201 Street,
Washington, 20520
(202) 647-6371 BEHALF THE WITNESS:
MARK MacDOUGALL, ESQUIRE
CONNOR MULLIN, ESQUIRE
CONSTANCE OCONNOR, ESQUIRE
AKIN GUMP STRAUSS HAUER FELD LLP
1333 New Hampshire Avenue,
Washington, 20036-1564
(202) 887-4000
ALSO PRESENT:
JEREMY DINEEN, Video Specialist
GREGORY LAUDADIO, Judicial Watch
SARAH WILLIAMSON, Akin Gump
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EXAMINATION BRYAN MICHAEL PAGLIANO Ms. Cotca
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VIDEO SPECIALIST:
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Here begins Tape Number
09:30:56 the videotaped deposition Bryan Pagliano
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the matter Judicial Watch, Inc., The U.S.
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Department State, the U.S. District Court for
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the District Columbia; Case Number 13-CV-1363.
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Todays date June 22nd, 2016.
The time the video monitor 9:31.
today Jeremy Dineen, representing Planet Depos.
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This video deposition taking place Planet
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Depos, 1100 Connecticut Avenue, Northwest,
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Washington, DC.
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Would counsel please voice-identify
themselves and state whom they represent.
MS. COTCA:
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
Mark MacDougall, Akin
Gump Strauss, for the deponent Bryan Pagliano.
MR. MULLIN:
Ramona Cotca, for Judicial
Watch.
The videographer
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Connor Mullin, for Bryan
Pagliano.
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MS. OCONNOR:
Constance OConnor, for
Bryan Pagliano.
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MS. WILLIAMSON:
Sarah Williamson, for
Bryan Pagliano.
MR. MYERS:
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Steven Myers for the
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Department State, and also for Mr. Pagliano
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his official capacity former State Department
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employee.
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MS. BERMAN:
Department State.
MS. SHAPIRO:
MS. WELCHER:
Elizabeth Shapiro, for the
Alison Welcher, for the
MS. WOLVERTON:
the Department State.
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Department State.
MR. LAUDADIO:
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Department State.
Marcia Berman, for the
Caroline Wolverton, for
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Gregory Laudadio, Judicial
Watch.
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MR. PETERSON:
James Peterson, for
Judicial Watch.
MR. BEKESHA:
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09:32:33
Michael Bekesha, for
Judicial Watch.
MR. ORFANEDES:
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Paul Orfanedes, for
Judicial Watch.
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VIDEO SPECIALIST:
The court reporter
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today Debbie Whitehead, representing Planet
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Depos.
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Would the reporter please swear the
witness.
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BRYAN MICHAEL PAGLIANO,
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having been duly sworn, testified follows:
EXAMINATION COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFF MS. COTCA:
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Good morning, Mr. Pagliano. Ramona
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Cotca, and represent Judicial Watch this
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lawsuit.
Thank you for coming here today.
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For the record, could you please state
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your full name.
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Bryan Michael Pagliano.
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Thank you.
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Mr. Pagliano, pronouncing
that correctly?
Uh-huh.
Thank you.
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Have you ever been deposed
any previous lawsuits, civil lawsuits?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
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Instruct the
witness not answer being outside the scope.
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All right.
Ill over some ground rules
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with you for the deposition for purposes the
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deposition.
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reporter here who transcribing everything were
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saying today.
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speak over each other. you see, have madam court would just ask that dont
09:33:35 will best let you answer every
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question fully, and would also just ask that
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you although you may anticipate what the question
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may be, that you let fully finish asking the
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question that going ask.
09:33:48 that fair?
Uh-huh.
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The next instruction would for any
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responses verbal responses.
Yes.
Okay.
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Thank you very much.
Also, there may objections that your
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attorneys the other attorneys the room may
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state for the record.
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instructing you not answer, you must still answer
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the question.
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Unless your attorney
Okay?
Yes.
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Okay.
Also, you not understand
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question that asking, would ask that you
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please let know that you not understand it,
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and will best clarify reask
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different way.
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will assume you have understood the question
09:34:24 being asked.
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Okay. that fair?
Yes.
But you not let know,
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Finally, you you have been sworn
You understand that your testimony under
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in.
under oath. able truthfully answer the questions being
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asked today?
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MR. MacDOUGALL: there any reason why you would not
Objection.
Outside the
scope permissible discovery.
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09:34:35
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The witness instructed not answer.
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MS. COTCA:
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cannot answer the questions truthfully?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
that with you. answer.
Whether theres any reason
09:34:50 not going debate
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The witness has been instructed not
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Ask your next question.
MS. COTCA:
Okay.
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Mr. Pagliano, are you currently employed
and, so, where?
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
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Outside the scope
permissible discovery.
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The witness instructed not answer.
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MS. COTCA:
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Exhibit
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(Pagliano Deposition Exhibit marked for
Could you please mark this
identification and attached the transcript.)
Mr. Pagliano, have you reviewed what Ive
been whats been marked Exhibit
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Ms. Cotca, will
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represent you the witness has, because the
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subpoena was served us, the witness has reviewed
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counsel.
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MS. COTCA:
Okay.
Well, will need your
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client will need the witness answer that and
09:36:00 tell that rather than his attorney.
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MR. MacDOUGALL: permissible discovery. outside the scope
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Ive Ive given you
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the information you need.
service his behalf, and Ive made the
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representation you.
09:36:12 MS. COTCA:
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09:36:08
Mr. Pagliano, have you seen this document
before here today?
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09:36:15
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Weve accepted the
Same.
Objection.
Thats
outside the scope discovery.
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Instruct the witness not answer.
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MS. COTCA:
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This subpoena for his
testimony here today for the discovery being taken.
09:36:26 dont know how that can outside the scope
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discovery.
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Youve instructed your witness not
answer.
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
Whats your next
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question?
09:36:36 MS. COTCA:
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Other than this document, Mr. Pagliano,
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have you reviewed any other documents preparation
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for todays deposition?
09:36:42
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Outside the scope
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permissible discovery.
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The witness instructed not answer.
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MS. COTCA:
09:36:50 asking, for purposes
preparing for his deposition that has been granted
09:36:52 the court for purposes the discovery taken
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this case, has reviewed any other documents.
09:36:57 not see how thats outside the scope discovery this case.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
The witness has been advised, and the
objection the record.
MS. COTCA:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
MS. COTCA:
Not here debate that
For scope. that right?
Yes.
Okay.
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Mr. Pagliano, are you following your
counsels advice and not answering the question?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
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09:37:09 MS. COTCA:
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with you, Ms. Cotca.
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Objection for privilege
and numerous other reasons.
Thats outside the scope discovery, and
hes instructed not answer that question.
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And asking him hes refusing
answer the question.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
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No.
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Mr. Pagliano, you may answer the question
unless your client -MR. MacDOUGALL:
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Hes been instructed not answer, and you cant instruct him otherwise.
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Mr. Pagliano, have you reviewed the
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testimony Cheryl the transcript Cheryl
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Mills deposition transcript that she has provided
09:37:52 this case?
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MR. MacDOUGALL: answer.
Witness instructed not
Outside the scope discovery.
Mr. Pagliano, have you reviewed any the
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deposition transcripts that were provided
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either Lewis Lukens, Stephen Mull, Karin Lang
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the discovery this case preparation for your
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deposition here today?
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
Same instruction.
Outside the scope the courts order.
instructed not answer.
Hes
Ms. Cotca, you have questions that are
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within the scope well happy respond them.
MS. COTCA:
They are within the scope.
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09:38:31
And disagree with you that these are not within
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the scope.
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relate directly what the witness has done
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prepare himself for todays deposition that has been
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specifically granted Judge Sullivan this case.
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Thats entirely within the scope discovery
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this case.
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
The question all these questions you have another
question?
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09:38:46
Mr. Pagliano, other than your attorneys,
09:38:46
have you spoken with anybody else preparation for
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your deposition here today?
09:38:52
MR. MacDOUGALL:
not answer.
The witness instructed
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Its outside the scope discovery.
09:38:57 like briefly over your
employment history the past ten years. 2006 chronological order.
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you employed 2006 and for how long?
MR. MacDOUGALL: answer.
Starting
Who where were
Witness instructed not
That question outside the scope.
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Okay.
When did you begin start working
for the State Department, Mr. Pagliano? advice counsel, will decline
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answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
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Constitution.
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All right. connection with your work
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for Secretary Clinton when she came the State
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Department early 2009, what work did you for
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Secretary Clinton with respect setting her
09:40:00
e-mail with domain name Clintonemail.com?
09:40:04 advice counsel, will decline
09:40:09
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:40:13
Constitution.
09:40:15
What role did you have setting the
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server that was located the residence
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Secretary Clinton New York that was connected
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her e-mail account with the domain
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@Clintonemail.com?
09:40:44 advice counsel, will decline
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
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Constitution.
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All right.
With respect the setup
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the server, which will refer the Clinton
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server that was connected for Secretary Clintons
09:40:59
e-mail with domain @Clintonemail.com, who else
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was involved the technical side setting
09:41:09
that system?
09:41:12
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague.
09:41:14 2009.
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Upon advice counsel, will decline
09:41:19
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:41:24
Constitution.
09:41:26
All right.
Who paid for the server? advice counsel, will decline
09:41:27
09:41:32
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:41:36
Constitution.
09:41:38
Who paid for setting the
Clintonemail.com system? advice counsel, will decline
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answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:41:48
Constitution.
09:41:50 early 2009, how many e-mail accounts
09:41:50
were associated with the Clintonemail.com system?
09:41:56 the advice counsel, will decline
09:42:02 answer your question reliance rights
09:42:04
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:42:06
Constitution.
09:42:08
How many e-mail accounts did Secretary
09:42:08
Clinton have that were associated with the
09:42:15
Clintonemail.com system?
09:42:17 advice counsel, will decline
09:42:21
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:42:27
Constitution.
09:42:29
Who else from the State Department had
09:42:29
e-mail accounts that were associated with the
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Clintonemail.com server early 2009?
09:42:50 advice counsel, will decline
09:42:55
answer your question reliance rights under
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the Fifth Amendment the United States
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Constitution.
09:43:02
Did you have e-mail account set
the Clintonemail.com server? the advice counsel, will decline
09:43:03
09:43:11
09:43:15 answer your question reliance rights
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under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:43:19
Constitution.
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The same question with respect
09:43:22 whether Cheryl Mills, Jacob Sullivan, Philippe
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Reines, whether they had e-mail accounts associated
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with the e-mail.com server system.
09:43:33
All right. the advice counsel, will decline
09:43:37 answer your question reliance rights
09:43:39
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:43:41
Constitution.
09:43:43 you know Huma Abedin?
09:43:45 the advice counsel, will decline
09:43:56 answer your question reliance rights
09:43:58
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:44:00
Constitution.
09:44:01 setting the server and the
Clintonemail.com system, what discussions did you
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have with Secretary Clinton how the system
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should set and why?
09:44:27
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
09:44:29 evidence.
09:44:30 any.
09:44:42
You may answer unless your
09:44:46 the advice counsel, will decline
09:44:48 answer your question reliance rights
09:44:50
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:44:52
Constitution.
09:44:54
What was your understanding about why the
09:44:55
server and the Clintonemail.com system was being set
09:45:02 2009?
09:45:05
09:45:08 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
09:45:11
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:45:13
Constitution.
09:45:15
Did Ms. Abedin have more than one e-mail
account associated with the Clintonemail.com system? the advice counsel, will decline
09:45:15
09:45:24
09:45:29 answer your question reliance rights
09:45:31
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:45:33
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Constitution.
Was the Clintonemail.com system created
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for Secretary Clinton use during her tenure
09:45:48
Secretary State for government business?
09:45:50
09:45:34 the advice counsel, will decline
09:45:54 answer your question reliance rights
09:45:56
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:45:58
Constitution.
09:46:00
Did you have any discussions, any, with
09:46:01
Cheryl Mills late 2008, early 2009, about the
09:46:12
setup the server the Clintonemail.com system
09:46:16
and its purpose?
09:46:19
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague and
compound.
09:46:22
09:46:23
You may answer.
09:46:31 the advice counsel, will decline
09:46:36 answer your question reliance rights
09:46:38
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:46:40
Constitution.
09:46:41
Did you have any discussions with
09:46:42
Secretary Clinton late 2008, early 2009, with
09:46:50
respect whether she would use State Department
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e-mail account for her work business, for her
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government business, with the domain State.gov?
09:47:05 the advice counsel, will decline
09:47:11 answer your question reliance rights
09:47:12
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:47:15
Constitution.
09:47:16
Did you have any discussions with Cheryl
09:47:17
Mills 2008 and two thousand late 2008, early
09:47:21
2009, with respect whether Secretary Clinton
09:47:27
would use State Department e-mail for her
09:47:34
government business with the domain State.gov?
09:47:39 the advice counsel, will decline
09:47:44 answer your question reliance rights
09:47:46
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:47:48
Constitution.
09:47:51 far you know, why did Secretary
09:47:51
Clinton not want use official State Department
09:47:56
e-mail for her state government business?
09:47:58
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
09:48:01 evidence.
09:48:03
09:48:08 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
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under the Fifth Amendment the United States
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Constitution.
09:48:12 you know Cheryl Mills?
09:48:13 the advice counsel, will decline
09:48:24 answer your question reliance rights
09:48:26
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:48:28
Constitution.
09:48:30
Have you ever seen her while you were
working the State Department?
09:48:31
09:48:34 the advice counsel, will decline
09:48:38 answer your question reliance rights
09:48:40
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:48:42
Constitution.
09:48:44
What part that question raises basis
for fear potential prosecution?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
09:48:44
09:48:51
The client
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direct the deponent directed not answer.
09:48:56
That outside the scope discovery.
09:48:58
MS. COTCA:
His discussions with Cheryl
09:49:01
Mills?
Ive Ive asked him questions with
09:49:02
respect his discussions with Cheryl Mills when
09:49:05
was the State Department with respect the
09:49:08
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09:49:10
privilege.
09:49:16 asking whether ever met Ms. Mills the State Department.
discovery.
Its within the scope
privilege.
And has raised his Fifth Amendment
09:49:19
09:49:20
09:49:23 raise Fifth Amendment privilege,
09:49:16
09:49:24
there must reasonable basis for it, and must
09:49:26 appropriate, not just for purposes obstructing
09:49:29
the deposition.
09:49:31
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Ms. Cotca, object
your your soliloquy there.
notice for many weeks that Mr. Pagliano was going
09:49:37
assert his Fifth Amendment rights.
09:49:40
That his constitutional right. you have authority right lecture
09:49:45
him about it.
09:49:48
Hes doing that.
And you have you have another question, please
Youve been
09:49:32
ask it.
09:49:34
09:49:42
09:49:48
09:49:50
MS. COTCA: did not lecture Mr. Pagliano
about it. was actually speaking with you about
it, with respect the appropriateness raising
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the privilege.
09:49:57 have not yet seen the scope the
The only thing that you have
09:49:58
immunity agreement.
pointed the briefs and the pleadings that have
09:50:03
been filed with the court the creation and
09:50:06
operation the Clinton server.
09:50:10
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Nothing else.
09:50:00
Ms. Cotca, dont know
09:50:14
what youre trying do, but not going get
09:50:16
into discussion with you about that anything
09:50:18
else, told you the outset.
09:50:19 you have another question for this
witness, please ask it.
MS. COTCA:
09:50:21
09:50:23
Well, well reserve back
09:50:25 the court and compel deem that
09:50:27
appropriate.
09:50:30
court decide whether the privilege has been
09:50:33
properly asserted.
09:50:34
And the Fifth Amendment, for the
MR. MacDOUGALL: you have another
09:50:36
question, Ms. Cotca?
09:50:37 MS. COTCA:
09:50:41 you know strike that.
09:50:58
When was the last time you spoke with
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09:51:05 the advice counsel, will decline
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09:51:10
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:51:14
Constitution.
09:51:15
Did you speak with Ms. Mills 2015 about
the setup Secretary Clintons server? the advice counsel, will decline
09:51:15
09:51:18
09:51:22 answer your question reliance rights
09:51:24
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:51:26
Constitution.
09:51:28
Did Secretary Clinton authorize you
09:51:29
speak with Cheryl Mills 2015 about the setup
09:51:31
the server?
09:51:35
09:51:37 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
09:51:39
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:51:41
Constitution.
09:51:42
Same question for 2014:
Did you speak
09:51:43
with Ms. Mills about the setup Secretary
09:51:48
Clintons server?
09:51:50 the advice counsel, will decline
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09:51:56
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:51:58
Constitution.
09:52:00
And the same time frame. 2014, did
09:52:00
Secretary Clinton authorize you speak with Cheryl
09:52:04
Mills about the setup the server?
09:52:07 the advice counsel, will decline
09:52:13 answer your question reliance rights
09:52:15
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:52:17
Constitution.
09:52:19
During any conversations you had with
09:52:19
Ms. Mills 2014 2015 about the setup the
09:52:26
server, did she represent you that she was
09:52:31
legally representing Secretary Clinton the time?
09:52:35
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
09:52:37 evidence.
09:52:38
You may answer.
09:52:39 the advice counsel, will decline
09:52:42 answer your question reliance rights
09:52:44
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:52:46
Constitution.
09:52:47
Did you discuss with anyone any
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09:52:59
and/or 2015 about the setup the server?
09:53:03
MR. MYERS:
Ambiguous and
vague.
Objection.
09:53:08
09:53:10
Ill try rephrase that.
09:53:19
Did you discuss with anybody any
09:53:21
discussions that you may have had with Ms. Mills
09:53:24
the time during the time frame 2014 and 2015
09:53:29
about the setup Secretary Clintons server and
09:53:33
the Clintonemail.com system?
09:53:37
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Ambiguous, vague,
and compound.
09:53:39
09:53:41
You may answer.
09:53:41 the advice counsel, will decline
09:53:44 answer your question reliance rights
09:53:45
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:53:48
Constitution.
09:53:49
Did you tell the FBI about your
09:53:50
conversations with Ms. Mills 2014 and 2015 that
09:53:57
you had about the server?
09:54:05
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
09:54:06
That
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MR. MYERS:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Same objection. sustained the
judges order.
09:54:09
09:54:10
09:54:11
MR. MYERS:
Same objection the
government.
09:54:12
09:54:13
MR. MacDOUGALL:
instructed not answer.
09:54:07
MS. COTCA:
And the witness
09:54:14
09:54:14
And its not outside the
09:54:15
scope, the extent that during Ms. Mills
09:54:17
deposition her attorney raised privileged
09:54:20
potential privilege with respect discussions that
09:54:25
she had with Mr. Pagliano either 2014 and 2015.
09:54:28 think appropriate ask the followup
09:54:33
question see whether the the privilege was
09:54:36
properly asserted.
09:54:39
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Well, appreciate your
09:54:40
opinion, Ms. Cotca, but thats inconsistent with the
09:54:41
judges order, which says plaintiff not entitled
09:54:43 discovery matters unrelated to, and
09:54:45
includes pending FBI law-enforcement
09:54:48
investigations.
09:54:51
You just asked this witness what,
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answer.
09:54:56 you have another question?
MS. COTCA:
09:54:53
09:54:55
The witness has been instructed not
Its
That not opinion.
09:54:59
09:54:59
just stating for the record the basis for asking the
09:55:00
question.
09:55:03
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Well, ask your next
09:55:03
question.
09:55:04
MS. COTCA:
And the witness has waived
the privilege, the privilege longer exists.
the question entirely appropriate.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
MR. MYERS:
Ask your next question.
And the government asserts the
09:55:05
09:55:06
09:55:11
09:55:13
09:55:14
same objection.
09:55:15 MS. COTCA:
09:55:25
Since leaving the State Department, who
09:55:26
did you discuss the setup Secretary Clintons
09:55:30
server and the Clintonemail.com system?
09:55:36
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Outside the scope
09:55:38 permissible discovery. the extent that youre
09:55:39
not excluding the the topic specifically excluded
09:55:41
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from the courts order, such active law
09:55:45
enforcement investigations.
09:55:47
Okay.
The same question, except for
conversations with the FBI.
MR. MYERS:
Same objection, the extent
09:55:48
09:55:50
09:55:53
youre not excluding all active law enforcement
09:55:54
investigations and any other topics excluded from
09:55:56
the courts order.
09:55:59
You may answer.
09:56:01 the advice counsel, will decline
09:56:04 answer your question reliance rights
09:56:06
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:56:08
Constitution.
09:56:09 you know Justin Cooper?
09:56:11 the advice counsel, will decline
09:56:17 answer your question reliance rights
09:56:19
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:56:21
Constitution.
09:56:23
What was Mr. Coopers role setting
the server for Secretary Clintons e-mail? the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
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09:56:38
Constitution.
09:56:39
What involvement did Justin Cooper have
09:56:40
maintaining and operating the server from 2009
09:56:45
2013 during Secretary Clintons tenure the State
09:56:51
Department?
09:56:53
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
09:56:54 evidence.
09:56:55 any.
09:56:56 the advice counsel, will decline
09:56:59 answer your question reliance rights
09:57:01
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:57:03
Constitution.
09:57:05
Okay.
When was the last time you saw
spoke with Mr. Cooper?
09:57:05
09:57:16 the advice counsel, will decline
09:57:23 answer your question reliance rights
09:57:24
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:57:27
Constitution.
09:57:28
MS. COTCA:
Mark that Exhibit
please.
09:57:34
09:57:37
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identification and attached the transcript.)
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Ms. Cotca?
document?
These are all the same,
These are all copies the same
MS. COTCA:
Yes.
09:57:58
sufficient copies for everyone.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
09:57:55
09:57:56
Ill hand them around.
09:57:55 try bring
09:58:00
09:58:01 just wanted make
sure wasnt bundle different things.
All
right.
09:58:02
09:58:03
09:58:07
MR. MYERS: this Exhibit Ramona?
09:58:07
MS. COTCA:
Yes.
09:58:10
MR. MYERS:
Thank you.
09:58:11 MS. COTCA:
09:58:23
Mr. Pagliano, have you had chance
review whats been marked Exhibit
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Are you going mark
this?
marked Exhibit the court reporter?
Its the copy have, this has been
MS. COTCA: believe its front
Mr. Pagliano.
09:58:24
09:58:25
09:58:27
09:58:28
09:58:31
09:58:33
09:58:34
MR. MacDOUGALL:
MS. COTCA:
Okay.
Very good.
Marked Exhibit
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MR. MacDOUGALL: apologies.
Mr. Pagliano, have you had chance
review whats been marked Exhibit the advice counsel, would decline
09:58:37
09:58:39
09:58:40
09:58:42 answer your question reliance rights
09:58:45
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:58:47
Constitution.
09:58:48 fair description say that
09:58:49
Exhibit seems string e-mails
09:58:56
dating from February around February 2009 with
09:59:02
the attachment your sum that you submitted
09:59:07
the State Department for your employment there?
09:59:09
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
09:59:13
09:59:18 answer your question reliance rights
09:59:19
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
09:59:21
Constitution.
09:59:23
Okay.
Could you please turn Page
Exhibit Mr. Pagliano, and take look that.
Thank you. it?
Have you had chance look
09:59:23
09:59:27
09:59:45
09:59:47 the advice counsel, will decline
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09:59:54
Constitution.
09:59:55
Mr. Pagliano, this copy the sum
09:59:56
that you submitted for your employment the State
10:00:00
Department 2009?
10:00:02 the advice counsel, will decline
10:00:06 answer your question reliance rights
10:00:08
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:00:10
Constitution.
10:00:12
When did your employment for the State
Department begin, Mr. Pagliano? the advice counsel, will decline
10:00:12
10:00:38
10:00:40 answer your questions reliance rights
10:00:43
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:00:45
Constitution.
10:00:46
How did you learn about the position being
available the State Department? the advice counsel, will decline
10:00:48
10:00:51
10:00:56 answer your question reliance rights
10:00:58
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:01:00
Constitution.
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10:01:02
worked for, when you began employment the State
10:01:10
Department, you worked for Information Resource
10:01:13
Management, with the acronym IRM, senior
10:01:15
advisor starting May 2009?
10:01:20
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Outside the
scope the courts order.
10:01:22
10:01:23
The witness instructed not answer.
Objection.
10:01:26
Mr. Pagliano, why were you hired
10:01:28
political appointee when you began working for the
10:01:29
State Department?
10:01:33
MR. MYERS:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
Outside the
10:01:37
10:01:39
During your employment the State
10:01:40
Department, who did you report to?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
10:01:53
Outside the
scope the courts order.
10:01:55
10:01:56
The witness instructed not answer.
10:01:36
The witness instructed not answer.
10:01:34
10:01:36
scope the courts order.
Assumes facts not evidence.
Objection.
10:01:57
During your tenure the State
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10:02:07
maintenance the Clintonemail.com system and the
10:02:10
server?
10:02:13
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Compound.
10:02:15
You may answer.
10:02:20 the advice counsel, will decline
10:02:21 answer your question reliance rights
10:02:23
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:02:25
Constitution.
10:02:26
What was your role providing support
10:02:27
for the Clintonemail.com system during your tenure
10:02:31 the State Department?
10:02:35 the advice counsel, will decline
10:02:39 answer your question reliance rights
10:02:41
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:02:43
Constitution.
10:02:44
Was there technical support help desk
10:02:44
created for the Clintonemail.com system during your
10:03:13
tenure the State Department?
10:03:16
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
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10:03:26
Constitution.
10:03:27
Did you oversee the technical support help
10:03:28
desk provide any technical help for the
10:03:39
Clintonemail.com system during your tenure the
10:03:42
State Department?
10:03:46
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Compound.
10:03:47
You may answer.
10:03:50 the advice counsel, will decline
10:03:52 answer your question reliance rights
10:03:55
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:04:00
Constitution.
10:04:02
What discussions, any, did you have
10:04:03
with Secretary Clinton about coming work for the
10:04:04
State Department 2009?
10:04:07 the advice counsel, will decline
10:04:09 answer your question reliance rights
10:04:10
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:04:14
Constitution.
10:04:16
The same question with respect any
10:04:16
discussions you may have had with Cheryl Mills.
10:04:18
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague.
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10:04:30
How about Heather Samuelson; what
10:04:30
discussions did you have with her 2009 about
10:04:34
coming work for the State Department?
10:04:37 the advice counsel, will decline
10:04:40 answer your question reliance rights
10:04:42
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:04:44
Constitution.
10:04:46 senior advisor, what were your
10:04:46
day-to-day duties and responsibilities the State
10:04:53
Department?
10:04:57
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:04:57 evidence.
10:04:58
10:05:00 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:05:02
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:05:04
Constitution.
10:05:06
When did your full-time employment
terminate with the State Department?
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
Objection.
Outside the
scope the courts order.
10:05:12
10:05:13
The witness instructed not answer.
10:05:14
Did your employment the State
10:05:16
Department terminate around the same time that
10:05:24
the Secretary that Secretary Clinton left the
10:05:27
State Department?
10:05:29
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Outside the
scope the courts order.
10:05:30
10:05:31
The witness instructed not answer.
Objection.
10:05:32
After leaving the State Department, did
10:05:35
you continue any contract work for the State
10:05:39
Department?
10:05:42
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Outside the
scope the courts order.
10:05:42
10:05:43
The witness instructed not answer.
Objection.
10:05:45
Who else the State Department provided
10:05:46
any technical assistance for the server for
10:06:03
Secretary Clintons e-mail?
10:06:07 the advice counsel, will decline
10:06:11 answer your question reliance rights
10:06:13
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:06:15
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Who else the State Department provided
10:06:17
any technical assistance for the Clintonemail.com
10:06:20
system?
10:06:24 the advice counsel, will decline
10:06:27 answer your question reliance rights
10:06:29
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:06:31
Constitution.
10:06:33
Did you ever travel New York work
10:06:33
the server because Secretary Clinton was having
10:06:43
problems with her e-mail?
10:06:50
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Compound. the advice counsel, will decline
10:06:54
10:06:58 answer your question reliance rights
10:06:59
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:07:02
Constitution.
10:07:03 you did travel New York work
10:07:06
the server provide technical assistance for the
10:07:08
server the Clintonemail.com system, did you ever
10:07:10
take leave from work the State Department during
10:07:14
those times?
10:07:16
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
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10:07:23
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10:07:26
Constitution.
10:07:27
Did you ever take leave from the State
10:07:28
Department when you worked the server the
10:07:32
Clintonemail.com system?
10:07:34
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:07:38 evidence.
10:07:39
10:07:41 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:07:43
under the Fifth Amendment the Constitution
10:07:45
U.S. Constitution.
10:07:50
Who paid you relation your work that
10:07:51
you did connection with either setting
10:07:56
operating the Clintonemail.com system prior your
10:08:00
employment the State Department May 2009?
10:08:05 the advice counsel, will decline
10:08:10 answer your question reliance rights
10:08:12
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:08:14
Constitution.
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How much were you paid for that work?
MR. MYERS:
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10:08:21
Objection.
Beyond the scope authorized discovery.
MS. COTCA:
Clinton server.
10:08:22
This the creation the
Its entirely within the scope
discovery.
10:08:27
10:08:30
MR. MYERS:
10:08:24
Ive made objection.
10:08:31
You may answer.
10:08:33 the advice counsel, will decline
10:08:35 answer your question reliance rights
10:08:37
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:08:38
Constitution.
10:08:40
Were you paid during your tenure the
10:08:40
State Department for the work you provided
10:08:57
with respect the creation operating the server
10:09:02 the Clintonemail.com system anybody other than
10:09:06
the State Department?
10:09:11
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Ambiguous and
10:09:12
vague.
You may answer.
10:09:17 the advice counsel, will decline
10:09:19
10:09:13 answer your question reliance rights
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10:09:23
Constitution.
10:09:24
Were you paid anybody other than the
10:09:25
State Department during your tenure the State
10:09:29
Department for any technical assistance you provided
10:09:33
for the Clintonemail.com system?
10:09:36 the advice counsel, will decline
10:09:42 answer your question reliance rights
10:09:44
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:09:47
Constitution.
10:09:48
Did you view the work that you provided
10:09:49
with respect technical support for the
10:10:05
Clintonemail.com system part your duties for
10:10:07
your employment the State Department?
10:10:13
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:10:15 evidence, and beyond the scope authorized
10:10:17
discovery.
10:10:19 the advice counsel, will decline
10:10:23 answer your question reliance rights
10:10:26
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:10:28
Constitution.
10:10:30
Who the State Department knew you were
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working the creation and operation the server?
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:10:55
10:11:01 evidence.
10:11:02
10:11:05 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:11:07
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:11:10
Constitution.
10:11:12
Did you report any outside work related
10:11:17
the creation and operation the server anyone
10:11:19 the State Department?
10:11:21
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:11:22 evidence.
10:11:24
10:11:26 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:11:28
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:11:30
Constitution.
10:11:32
Who else the State Department provided
10:11:33
technical support for the Clintonemail.com system
10:11:50
between January 2009 and February 2013?
10:11:53
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:11:58 evidence.
10:11:59
10:12:02 the advice counsel, will decline
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10:12:04
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:12:06
Constitution.
10:12:08
During your tenure the State
10:12:08
Department, did you communicate with Secretary
10:12:27
Clinton e-mail?
10:12:30 the advice counsel, will decline
10:12:33 answer your question reliance rights
10:12:36
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:12:38
Constitution.
10:12:39
Were you provided e-mail account
10:12:40
with domain State.gov the State Department
10:12:47
during your tenure the department?
10:12:50 the advice counsel, will decline
10:12:54 answer your question reliance rights
10:12:56
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:12:58
Constitution.
10:12:59
communicated e-mail with Secretary Clinton -MR. MYERS:
Which e-mail account did you use when you
Objection about the server?
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
10:13:00
10:13:12
10:13:15
10:13:15
Assumes facts not
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10:13:18
10:13:20 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:13:22
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:13:24
Constitution.
10:13:26 you know John Bentel?
10:13:29 the advice counsel, will decline
10:13:37 answer your question reliance rights
10:13:39
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:13:41
Constitution.
10:13:42
Did you have opportunity work with
10:13:44
Mr. Bentel during your tenure the State
10:13:49
Department?
10:13:53
10:13:54 the advice counsel, would decline answer your question reliance rights
10:13:57
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:13:59
Constitution.
10:14:01
What discussions, any, have you did
10:14:04
you have with Mr. Bentel about the server and the
10:14:06
Clintonemail.com system during your tenure there?
10:14:09 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
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under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:14:22
Constitution.
10:14:23
Did Mr. Bentel know that the server was
10:14:23
set Secretary Clintons basement early
10:14:27
2009?
10:14:32
MR. MYERS:
Assumes facts. you know.
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
10:14:32
10:14:33
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:14:37 evidence.
10:14:39
10:14:42 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:14:42
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:14:43
Constitution.
10:14:44
Did Mr. Bentel know that Secretary Clinton
10:14:45
was using her e-mail account with the domain
10:14:53
Clintonemail.com for State Department business?
10:14:57 the advice counsel, will decline
10:15:03 answer your question reliance rights
10:15:06
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:15:08
Constitution.
10:15:09
Mr. Pagliano, December 2010 did you
10:15:10
meet with Mr. Bentel and other IRM staff resolve
10:15:17
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issues affecting the ability e-mails transmitted
10:15:21
through the Clintonemail.com domain used
10:15:23
Secretary Clinton?
10:15:26 the advice counsel, will decline
10:15:29 answer your question reliance rights
10:15:31
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:15:33
Constitution.
10:15:34
Did Mr. Bentel ever discuss with you
10:15:35
concerns that were raised two staff members
10:15:54
the IRM office that was dedicated the Secretarys
10:15:57
office and the Executive Secretarys office that has
10:16:01
the acronym E/ES I/ES-IRM about the Secretarys
10:16:03
use personal e-mail accounts?
10:16:11
MR. MYERS:
assumes facts not evidence.
Objection.
Vague.
And the advice counsel, will decline
10:16:14
10:16:15
10:16:18 answer your question reliance rights
10:16:21
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:16:22
Constitution.
10:16:24 you have any knowledge about staff
10:16:24
having raised concerns about Secretary Clinton using
10:16:28
the e-mail account with domain Clintonemail.com
10:16:33
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for government business? the advice counsel, will decline
10:16:39
10:16:43 answer your question reliance rights
10:16:44
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:16:47
Constitution.
10:16:48 you know Patrick Kennedy?
10:16:48 the advice counsel, will decline
10:17:00 answer your question reliance rights
10:17:02
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:17:04
Constitution.
10:17:05
Did you ever report him during your
tenure the State Department? the advice counsel, will decline
10:17:06
10:17:13
10:17:16 answer your question reliance rights
10:17:18
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:17:20
Constitution.
10:17:21
Did you ever discuss with him the
10:17:22
Clintonemail.com system during your tenure the
10:17:25
State Department?
10:17:28 the advice counsel, will decline
10:17:33 answer your question reliance rights
10:17:35
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:17:38
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Constitution.
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Kennedy
10:17:39
10:17:39
Secretary Clintons use non-State.gov e-mail
10:17:43
account for government business?
10:17:46 the advice counsel, will decline
10:17:49 answer your question reliance rights
10:17:51
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:17:53
Constitution.
10:17:55 you know Stephen Mull?
10:17:55 the advice counsel, will decline
10:18:23 answer your question reliance rights
10:18:24
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:18:27
Constitution.
10:18:28
Did you ever discuss with him Secretarys
10:18:28
use the Clintonemail.com e-mail account during
10:18:33
your tenure the State Department?
10:18:37 the advice counsel, will decline
10:18:41 answer your question reliance rights
10:18:43
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:18:46
Constitution.
10:18:47
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Mull FOIA
10:18:47
and the Secretarys use non-State.gov e-mail
10:18:55
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account?
10:18:59 the advice counsel, will decline
10:19:02 answer your question reliance rights
10:19:04
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:19:06
Constitution.
10:19:08
During your tenure the State
10:19:09
Department, did you ever access Secretary Clintons
10:19:15
e-mail system conduct search for federal
10:19:17
records response any FOIA request?
10:19:21 the advice counsel, will decline
10:19:25 answer your question reliance rights
10:19:27
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:19:29
Constitution.
10:19:31
Were you ever asked access the
10:19:31
Clintonemail.com system search for federal
10:19:35
records response FOIA request during your
10:19:39
tenure the State Department?
10:19:41 the advice counsel, will decline
10:19:44 answer your question reliance rights
10:19:46
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:19:48
Constitution.
10:19:50
Was the issue ever discussed with
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Secretary Clinton about how her e-mails could
10:19:56
accessed and searched response any FOIA
10:20:00
requests FOIA litigation during your tenure
10:20:04
the State Department?
10:20:07
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague, and
10:20:10
foundation.
10:20:11
10:20:13 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:20:15
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:20:17
Constitution.
10:20:19
Did Secretary Clinton ever raise concerns
10:20:19
about accessing her e-mail for purposes
10:20:33
relation any FOIA requests pending litigation?
10:20:39
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
10:20:42
10:20:45 answer your question reliance rights
10:20:47
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:20:49
Constitution.
10:20:51
Did Secretary Clinton ever raise concerns
10:20:52
about preservation her government e-mails for
10:20:59
purposes responding FOIA FOIA request
10:21:05
pending litigation during your tenure there?
10:21:09
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MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
10:21:12
10:21:16 answer your question reliance rights
10:21:18
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:21:20
Constitution.
10:21:22
How about the same question with respect
10:21:22 all federal records that were housed the
10:21:28
Clintonemail.com system; did Secretary Clinton ever
10:21:33
raise concerns about preservation federal records
10:21:37 the Clintonemail.com system with respect
10:21:44
pending FOIA requests litigation?
10:21:47
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
10:21:49
10:21:51 answer your question reliance rights
10:21:54
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:21:56
Constitution.
10:21:57 you know, was the Clintonemail.com
system created thwart FOIA? the advice counsel, will decline
10:21:58
10:22:08
10:22:12 answer your question reliance rights
10:22:14
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:22:18
Constitution.
10:22:20
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10:22:20 the advice counsel, will decline
10:22:27 answer your question reliance rights
10:22:29
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:22:32
Constitution.
10:22:33
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Finney
10:22:34
Secretary Clintons government e-mails stored the
10:22:38
Clintonemail.com system?
10:22:43 the advice counsel, will decline
10:22:46 answer your question reliance rights
10:22:48
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:22:50
Constitution.
10:22:52
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Finney
10:22:53
Secretary Clintons use her e-mail account for
10:22:58
government business?
10:23:01 the advice counsel, will decline
10:23:05 answer your question reliance rights
10:23:08
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:23:10
Constitution.
10:23:12
Did you have any role searching any
10:23:13
the federal records housed the Clintonemail.com
10:23:25
system response any FOIA requests
10:23:28
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litigation during your tenure the State
10:23:32
Department?
10:23:36
10:23:37 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:23:40
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:23:42
Constitution.
10:23:43 you know how Secretary Clinton managed
10:23:44
her Inbox the Clintonemail.com system during her
10:23:53
tenure the State Department?
10:23:57 the advice counsel, will decline
10:24:00 answer your question reliance rights
10:24:03
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:24:05
Constitution.
10:24:06 you know the Secretary ever deleted
10:24:07
any her government e-mails the
10:24:10
Clintonemail.com system?
10:24:12 the advice counsel, will decline
10:24:15 answer your question reliance rights
10:24:18
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:24:20
Constitution.
10:24:22
Were you ever asked access the
Clintonemail.com system and delete any government
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e-mails during your tenure the State Department? the advice counsel, will decline
10:24:29
10:24:34 answer your question reliance rights
10:24:36
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:24:39
Constitution.
10:24:40 not sure Ive asked this before, apologize did.
e-mail account the Clintonemail.com system?
But did Justin Cooper have the advice counsel, will decline
10:24:40
10:24:46
10:24:49
10:24:52 answer your question reliance rights
10:24:55
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:24:57
Constitution.
10:24:59 around the time that Secretary
10:24:59
Clinton left the State Department, around
10:25:06
February 2013, were there any discussions with
10:25:08
Secretary Clinton about transferring any government
10:25:14
e-mails that were housed the Clintonemail.com
10:25:17
system onto another State Department system?
10:25:20
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
10:25:24
10:25:27 answer your question reliance rights
10:25:29
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:25:31
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Constitution.
Were there any discussions with Secretary
10:25:33
Clinton anyone her behalf about how the State
10:25:37
Department would able access the government
10:25:41
records the Clintonemail.com system once the
10:25:43
Secretary left the State Department?
10:25:48
10:25:33
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Foundation. the advice counsel, will decline
10:25:50
10:25:53 answer your question reliance rights
10:25:55
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:25:56
Constitution.
10:25:58
Secretary?
MR. MYERS:
Did you ever discuss that topic with the
10:25:58
10:26:02
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:26:04
10:26:07 answer your question reliance rights
10:26:09
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:26:11
Constitution.
10:26:12
10:26:12
MR. MYERS:
How about with Clarence Finney?
10:26:21
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
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under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:26:27
Constitution.
10:26:29
And the same question with respect any
10:26:29
discussions surrounding that issue with Patrick
10:26:38
Kennedy.
10:26:41
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:26:42
10:26:45 answer your question reliance rights
10:26:47
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:26:49
Constitution.
10:26:50
discussions surrounding that issue with John Bentel.
MR. MYERS:
And the same question with respect any
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:26:52
10:26:54
10:27:02
10:27:04 answer your question reliance rights
10:27:06
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:27:09
Constitution.
10:27:10
10:27:11
MR. MYERS:
Did you raise that issue with anybody?
10:27:20
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:27:23 answer your question reliance rights
10:27:26
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:27:28
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Constitution.
Are you familiar with SMART, which stands
10:27:31
for State Messaging and Archival Retrieval Tool Set
10:28:02
system that was introduced IRM the State
10:28:06
Department 2009?
10:28:08
10:27:30
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:28:10 evidence.
10:28:11
10:28:14 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:28:16
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:28:18
Constitution.
10:28:19 you know why the Secretarys office
10:28:20
elected not use SMART during Secretary Clintons
10:28:23
tenure the State Department?
10:28:27
MR. MYERS:
10:28:28
Same same objection. the advice counsel, will decline
10:28:32 answer your question reliance rights
10:28:34
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:28:36
Constitution.
10:28:37
Since February 2013, have you worked for
the Clintons?
MR. MYERS:
10:28:38
10:28:48
Objection.
Beyond the scope
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MR. MacDOUGALL:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Outside the scope the
Are you working for the Clintons now?
10:29:02
10:29:04
Objection.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
Beyond the scope
10:29:05
The witness instructed
10:29:06
The question outside the scope
10:29:07
not answer.
the courts order.
10:28:56
10:28:57 authorized discovery.
10:28:55
MR. MYERS: what basis?
courts order.
10:28:52
10:28:54
MS. COTCA:
The witness instructed
not answer.
10:28:51
10:29:10
When was the last time that you spoke
saw Heather Samuelson?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
10:29:12
10:29:26
The witness instructed
10:29:29
not answer, the question outside the scope
10:29:31 the courts order.
10:29:33
Did you have any discussions with Heather
10:29:37
Samuelson since 2013 about the setup the server?
10:29:40 the advice counsel, will decline
10:29:52 answer your question reliance rights
10:29:54
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:29:56
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Constitution.
10:29:58
Did you have any discussions with Huma
10:29:58
Abedin since February 2013 about the setup the
10:30:06
server?
10:30:12 the advice counsel, will decline
10:30:16 answer your question reliance rights
10:30:18
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:30:20
Constitution.
10:30:22
Have you discussed the setup the server
with David Kendall since February 2013? the advice counsel, will decline
10:30:22
10:30:30
10:30:36 answer your question reliance rights
10:30:38
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:30:40
Constitution.
10:30:42
Same question:
Have you discussed the
10:30:42
setup the server since February 2013 with any
10:30:48 the attorneys for Secretary Clinton?
10:30:54 the advice counsel, will decline
10:31:01 answer your question reliance rights
10:31:03
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:31:06
Constitution.
10:31:07
How about, have you discussed the setup
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the server with any the attorneys for Cheryl
10:31:15
Mills since February 2013?
10:31:18 the advice counsel, will decline
10:31:23 answer your question reliance rights
10:31:25
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:31:28
Constitution.
10:31:29
Have you discussed the setup the server
10:31:32
with any the attorneys for Huma Abedin since
10:31:35
February 2013?
10:31:39 the advice counsel, will decline
10:31:43 answer your question reliance rights
10:31:44
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:31:47
Constitution.
10:31:48
Since 2013, have you had any discussions
with Ms. Abedin about the setup the server?
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Asked and
answered.
10:31:49
10:32:00
10:32:04
10:32:05
You may answer.
10:32:08 the advice counsel, will decline
10:32:11 answer your question reliance rights
10:32:13
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:32:16
Constitution.
10:32:17
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Since February 2013, have you discussed
10:32:17
the setup the server with any other
10:32:26
representatives the Clintons?
10:32:30
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:32:35
10:32:39 answer your question reliance rights
10:32:41
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:32:43
Constitution.
10:32:45
Did you have any discussions about the
10:32:46
setup the server since February 2013 with any
10:32:53
representative President Clinton?
10:32:58
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:33:03
10:33:07 answer your question reliance rights
10:33:09
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:33:11
Constitution.
10:33:13
representatives Secretary Clinton.
MR. MYERS:
The same question with respect any
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:33:13
10:33:18
10:33:21
10:33:24 answer your question reliance rights
10:33:26
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:33:28
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Constitution.
Same question with respect any
representatives the Clinton Foundation.
MR. MYERS:
10:33:29
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:33:30
10:33:36
10:33:39
10:33:43 answer your question reliance rights
10:33:45
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:33:47
Constitution.
10:33:49
Did you have any discussions with anybody
10:33:49
from behalf Platte River with respect
10:34:10
the setup the server the Clintonemail.com
10:34:14
system since February 2013?
10:34:16 the advice counsel, will decline
10:34:21 answer your question reliance rights
10:34:23
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:34:26
Constitution.
10:34:27
Datalink.
10:34:29
10:34:32
MR. MYERS:
The same question with respect
Objection.
Vague. the advice counsel, will decline
10:34:33
10:34:35 answer your question reliance rights
10:34:37
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:34:40
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Constitution.
10:34:41
Who paying for your legal bills for
your representation this action?
MR. MacDOUGALL:
MR. MYERS:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
10:34:50
Privileged.
Objection.
MR. MYERS:
10:34:52
10:34:54
And outside the scope
the courts order.
Objection.
10:34:42
10:34:55
10:34:56
Objection.
Outside the scope permissible discovery.
10:34:57
10:34:59 you know Oscar Flores?
10:35:08 the advice counsel, will decline
10:35:14 answer your question reliance rights
10:35:15
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:35:18
Constitution.
10:35:19
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Band the
setup the server?
MR. MYERS:
repeat the question?
10:35:20
10:35:28 sorry, Ramona.
Can you
10:35:28
10:35:31
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Band the
10:35:33
setup the server?
MR. MYERS:
Who are you referring to?
10:35:40
MS. COTCA: sorry.
10:35:41
10:35:36
Let reask the
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question.
10:35:43
Did you ever discuss the server with
Mr. Flores?
10:35:46
10:35:47 the advice counsel, will decline
10:35:43 answer your question reliance rights
10:35:49
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:35:51
Constitution.
10:35:53 you know Doug Band?
10:35:53 the advice counsel, will decline
10:35:55 answer your question reliance rights
10:35:57
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:35:59
Constitution.
10:36:00
Did you ever discuss the setup the
server the Clintonemail.com system with Mr. Band? the advice counsel, will decline
10:36:01
10:36:03
10:36:08 answer your question reliance rights
10:36:10
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:36:12
Constitution.
10:36:14 you know Jon Davidson?
10:36:14 the advice counsel, will decline
10:36:22 answer your question reliance rights
10:36:24
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:36:27
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10:36:28
Did you ever discuss with him the setup
the server the Clintonemail.com system? the advice counsel, will decline
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10:36:32
10:36:36 answer your question reliance rights
10:36:38
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:36:41
Constitution.
10:36:42
MS. COTCA: think were going
getting close wrapping up, well take
10:36:54
five-minute break.
10:36:58
MR. MacDOUGALL:
MS. COTCA:
MR. MacDOUGALL:
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
10:36:53
Okay.
Unless you need more time.
No. are off the record 10:36.
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10:37:01
10:37:02 recess was taken.)
10:37:03
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
10:47:36 are back the
record 10:47.
10:47:43 MS. COTCA:
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Mr. Pagliano, just few more questions.
10:47:47 you remember when there were issues
10:47:50
with State Department employees receiving e-mails
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their State.gov e-mail accounts from Secretary
10:47:59
Clinton?
10:48:03
MR. MYERS:
Objection.
Assumes facts not
10:48:03 evidence.
10:48:05
10:48:06 the advice counsel, will decline answer your question reliance rights
10:48:09
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:48:11
Constitution.
10:48:13
issue?
10:48:13
10:48:17
MR. MYERS:
What efforts were made resolve that
Same objection.
10:48:19 the advice counsel, will decline
10:48:25 answer your question reliance rights
10:48:26
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:48:29
Constitution.
10:48:31
10:48:31
MR. MYERS:
How was the issue resolved?
Same objection.
10:48:35 the advice counsel, will decline
10:48:37 answer your question reliance rights
10:48:39
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:48:42
Constitution.
10:48:43
Did the State Department change its
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systems allow for State Department employees
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receive and send e-mails their State.gov e-mail
10:48:51
accounts Secretary Clinton?
10:48:56 the advice counsel, will decline
10:48:58 answer your question reliance rights
10:49:00
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:49:03
Constitution.
10:49:05
Were e-mail accounts with the domain
10:49:05
PresidentClinton.com and the domain
10:49:15
@Clintonemail.com housed the same server?
10:49:20 the advice counsel, will decline
10:49:25 answer your question reliance rights
10:49:28
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:49:29
Constitution.
10:49:31
Are you familiar with the term hot wash?
10:49:31 the advice counsel, will decline
10:49:39 answer your question reliance rights
10:49:41
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:49:44
Constitution.
10:49:46
Are you familiar with hot wash being
done with respect the Clinton server? the advice counsel, will decline
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under the Fifth Amendment the United States
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Constitution.
10:50:00
Was the Clinton server previously used for
the Clinton campaign?
10:50:01
10:50:07 the advice counsel, will decline
10:50:11 answer your question reliance rights
10:50:13
under the Fifth Amendment the United States
10:50:15
Constitution.
10:50:17
MS. COTCA:
That all have.
you very much for your time.
MR. MacDOUGALL:
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
deposition Bryan Pagliano.
10:50:27
10:50:28
Thank you.
This ends the 10:50.
Thank are off the record
10:50:29
10:50:31
10:50:31
10:50:35
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Abedin
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ability
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able
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about
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access
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accessed
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accessing
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account
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accounts
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acronym
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action
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active
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advice
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advised
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advisor
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affecting
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affixed
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agreement
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Akin
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Alison
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all
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allow
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also
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although
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Amendment
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and/or
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another
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answer
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answered
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answering
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anticipate
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any
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Conducted June 22, 2016
anyone
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anything
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apologies
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apologize
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appointee
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appreciate
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appropriate
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appropriateness
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Approved
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Archival
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around
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asked
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asking
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assert
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asserted
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asserting
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asserts
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assistance
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associated
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assume
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assumes
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attached
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attachment
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attorney
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attorneys
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authority
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authorize
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authorized
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available
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a.m
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back
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Band
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basement
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basis
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because
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been
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before
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began
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begin
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begins
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behalf
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being
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believe
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bills
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Bryan
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bundle
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business
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campaign
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capacity
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Caroline
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case
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CERTIFICATE
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certify
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chance
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change
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Cheryl
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chronological
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civil
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clarify
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clearly
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client
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Clinton
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Clintonemail.com
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Clintons
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Clintons
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close
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coming
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commission
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communicate
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communicated
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compel
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compound
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concerns
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conduct
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connected
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Connecticut
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connection
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Constitution
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constitutional
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continue
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contract
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conversations
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Cooper
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Coopers
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copies
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copy
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correct
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correctly
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Cotca
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counsel
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counsels
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court
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created
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creation
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currently
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dating
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Davidson
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day-to-day
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debate
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Debbie
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Conducted June 22, 2016
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dedicated
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deem
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Defendant
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delete
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department
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51:16 52:7,17 53:4
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deponent
6:18 23:17
Depos
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deposed
8:19
deposition
1:11 2:1 5:7,9 6:3,10
9:2,3 11:9 12:21 13:4
14:10,15,18 15:6,14
24:10 29:11 32:22
71:14 72:3
description
34:8
desk
37:17 38:4
different
10:5 33:8
Dineen
4:20 6:9
direct
23:17
directed
23:17
direction
72:8
directly
15:5
disagree
15:3
discovery
10:15 11:5,22 12:8,11
12:13 13:1,5,8,21
14:13,17 15:8,16
23:18 24:5 29:1,20
30:21 43:3,6 44:17
61:1,9 66:9
discuss
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50:17 51:2,14,21 55:6
55:13 58:12 66:15,19
67:2,13 68:2
discussed
11:16 52:22 62:9,15,22
63:7 64:1
discussion
25:9
discussions
19:22 21:9,20 22:7
23:19,21 28:1,7 29:12
38:13,21 39:6 47:18
57:15 58:2 59:4,12
61:18 62:2 63:14
64:9 65:9
District
1:1,2 2:13,14 6:5,6
72:22
DIVISION
3:19
document
12:5,19 33:4
documents
12:20 13:6
doing
24:14
domain
16:11,19 17:6 22:2,11
46:12 48:15 49:2,22
70:8,9
done
15:5 70:21
Doug
67:8
duly
8:7
during
21:3 27:11 28:8 29:10
32:5 36:17,22 37:11
37:18 38:5 41:20
43:13 44:4 46:4,13
47:12,20 50:11,18
51:15 52:6,16 53:3,22
56:1,8 57:1 60:13
duties
39:13 44:13
3:1,1 4:1,1,1 5:1,5 6:1
6:1
early
16:9 18:4,19 21:10,21
22:8 48:4
efforts
69:9
either
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elected
60:13
Elizabeth
3:17 7:9
else
15:13 17:6 18:17 25:6
25:10 40:17 41:2
45:17
employed
11:2 15:20 72:10
employee
7:6
employees
68:22 70:1
employment
15:18 34:12 35:5,11
36:2,17 39:21 40:4
42:18 44:14
ends
71:13
enforcement
31:2,6
entirely
15:8 30:12 43:5
entitled
29:19
ESQUIRE
3:3,4,5,6,14,15,16,17
4:3,11,12,13
ever
8:19 23:8 24:3 41:9,19
42:6 49:8 50:11,17
51:2,14,21 52:7,14,22
53:11,19 54:8 55:6,13
56:14,21 58:12 66:15
66:19 67:2,13 68:2
every
9:7
everyone
33:6
everything
9:4
evidence
20:4 22:20 27:16 32:8
36:13 39:16 42:1,10
44:16 45:3,12,21 47:1
Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
fair
9:11 10:7 34:8
familiar
60:2 70:15,20
far
22:16
FBI
28:18 29:21 30:1 31:4
fear
23:15
February
34:10,10 45:19 57:15
60:20 62:3,10,16 63:2
63:9 64:1,10 65:12
federal
52:8,15 54:7,9 55:21
FELD
4:14
few
68:20
Fifth
16:5,14 17:1,13,18
18:2,8,15,22 19:6,14
19:19 20:9,16,22 21:7
21:18 22:5,14 23:1,6
23:12 24:1,5,7,14
25:15 26:4,10,17 27:2
27:9,20 28:16 31:12
31:17 32:1,12,18 34:6
34:16 35:2,9,15,21
37:8,15 38:1,11,18
39:3,10,19 40:22 41:7
41:15 42:4,13,21
43:11 44:1,9,20 45:6
45:15 46:2,9,16 47:4
47:9,16 48:1,12,19
49:6,18 50:4,9,15,22
51:7,12,19 52:4,12,20
53:9,17 54:4,15,21
55:4,11,18 56:5,12,19
57:4,11,22 58:10,17
3:4
59:1,9,16,22 60:10,18
facts
61:22 62:7,13,20 63:5
20:3 22:19 27:15 32:7
63:12,21 64:7,15,22
36:12 39:15 41:22
65:7,15,22 66:13 67:6
42:9 44:15 45:2,11,20
67:11,17,22 68:6 69:7
46:22 48:6,8 49:15
69:14,20 70:6,13,18
60:6 69:3
48:9 49:15 60:7 69:4
EXAMINATION
5:2 8:8
except
31:3
excluded
30:22 31:7
excluding
30:22 31:6
Executive
49:11
Exhibit
5:7,8,10 11:8,9,12
32:20,22 33:10,15,18
33:22 34:3,9,19
exists
30:11
expires
72:17
extent
29:10 30:21 31:5
e-mail
5:10 16:11,19 17:6
18:4,10,18 19:2,10
20:18 22:1,10,18
31:20 40:19 41:11
46:6,11,18,19 48:15
49:13,22 51:3,15,22
52:8 53:12 55:14
57:8 69:1 70:2,8
e-mails
34:9 49:1 53:1,20 55:7
56:15 57:1,17 68:22
70:2
e-mail.com
19:11
E/ES
49:12
71:2,8
filed
25:5
Finally
10:9
financial
72:11
finish
9:10
Finney
55:1,6,13 58:19
five-minute
68:10
Flores
66:10 67:3
FOIA
51:21 52:9,16 53:2,3
53:13,21,21 54:11,18
55:22
following
13:17
follows
8:7
followup
29:14
foregoing
72:3,4
former
7:5
foundation
34:13 53:6,14 54:1,12
57:19 58:7 65:3
frame
27:4 28:8
front
33:19
full
8:14
fully
9:8,10
full-time
39:21
6:1
getting
68:9
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11:22 72:5
9:1 15:17 25:13
going
9:11 10:19 24:13 25:8
33:16 68:8
good
8:10 33:21
government
21:4 22:2,11,18 29:6
30:14 50:1 51:4
53:20 55:7,15 56:15
56:22 57:16 58:4
granted
13:4 15:7
Gregory
4:21 7:15
ground
9:1
Gump
4:14,22 6:18
5:5
Hampshire
4:15
hand
33:4 72:13
happy
15:1
HAUER
4:14
Heather
39:5 61:14,18
held
2:2
help
37:17 38:3,4
here
6:2 8:12 9:4 12:6,11
13:9 14:18 15:14
hereby
72:3
hereunto
72:13
himself
Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
15:6
hired
36:9
history
15:18
hot
70:15,20
housed
54:7 55:21 57:17 70:10
Huma
19:16 62:2 63:8
50:6 51:2 59:5
32:3
knew
IRM
44:22
36:4 48:22 49:10 60:4
know
issue
52:22 59:4,12,18 69:10 10:3,5 12:12 19:16
22:16 23:3 25:7,21
69:16
31:14 47:6 48:3,7,14
issues
50:6 51:9 54:17 55:1
49:1 68:21
56:7,14 60:12 66:10
I/ES-IRM
67:8,19
49:12
knowledge
49:20
3:6 4:11
identification
11:10 33:1
Jacob
Lang
19:9
14:16
immunity
James
last
25:3
3:4 7:17
25:22 32:14 61:13
Inbox
56:8
January
late
45:19
21:10,21 22:8
Inc
1:4 3:7 6:4
Jeremy
Laudadio
4:20 6:9
4:21 7:15,15
includes
29:21
Job
law
1:20
31:1,6
inconsistent
29:18
John
lawsuit
47:6 59:12
8:12
information
12:1 36:3
Jon
lawsuits
67:19
8:20,20
instruct
8:21 12:9 14:7
Judge
law-enforcement
15:7
29:21
instructed
10:16,20 11:6 12:14
judges
learn
29:4,19
35:17
13:2,22 14:6,12,21
Judicial
15:15,21 29:8 30:3
leave
41:20 42:6
36:8,16,21 40:3,10,16 1:4 3:7 4:21 6:4,15
61:2,10,15
7:15,18,20,22 8:11
leaving
instructing
June
30:17 40:11
1:13 6:7 72:14
lecture
9:20
JUSTICE
24:16,20
instruction
9:13 14:19
3:18
left
interest
Justin
40:6 57:14 58:6
31:14 32:3 57:7
legal
72:11
4:5 66:2
introduced
60:4
legally
Karin
investigations
27:14
14:16
Lewis
29:22 31:2,7
Kendall
3:16 14:16
involved
62:10
17:7
litigation
Kennedy
involvement
53:3,13,22 54:11 56:1
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4:14
located
16:17
long
15:20
longer
30:11
look
34:19,20
Lukens
14:16
MacDOUGALL
4:11 6:17,17 8:21
10:14,19 11:4,13,21
12:7,16,22 13:9,14,19
14:3,6,12,19 15:10,15
15:21 23:16 24:11
25:7,18 28:22 29:3,7
29:17 30:8,13 33:2,7
33:16,21 34:1 36:6,14
36:19 40:1,8,14 61:2
61:5,10,15 66:4,6
68:11,13 71:12
madam
9:3
maintaining
32:4
maintenance
37:2
managed
56:7
Management
36:4
Marcia
3:15 7:7
mark
4:11 6:17 11:7 32:20
33:16
marked
11:9,12 32:22 33:15,18
33:22 34:3
Massachusetts
3:20
matter
6:4
Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
matters
29:20
meet
48:22
members
49:9
Messaging
60:3
met
24:3
Michael
1:11 2:1 3:5 5:2 7:19
8:6,15
might
30:1
Mills
14:10 19:9 21:10 22:8
23:3,20,21 24:3 26:1
26:6,13,20 27:6,12
28:1,7,19 29:10 38:21
63:2
monitor
6:8
morning
8:10
Mull
14:16 51:9,21
Mullin
4:12 6:19,19
Myers
3:14 7:3,3 17:9 20:3
21:13 22:19 27:15
28:3,11,21 29:2,5
30:14,20 31:5 32:7
33:10,12 34:13 36:12
37:4,20 38:7,22 39:15
41:12,22 42:9 43:2,7
43:18 44:15 45:2,11
45:20 46:20,22 48:6,8
49:14 53:5,14 54:1,12
57:19 58:7,14,20 59:6
59:13,19 60:6,15,22
61:8 63:16 64:4,12,19
65:4,19 66:5,8,17,21
69:3,11,17
3:1 4:1,1,1 5:1,1 6:1
name
8:14 16:11
need
11:18,19 12:1 68:12
neither
72:9
New
4:15 16:18 41:9,17
next
9:13 10:21 12:16 30:8
30:13
non-State.gov
51:3,22
Northwest
6:11
notarial
72:14
Notary
2:14 72:1,21
Nothing
25:6
notice
24:13
Number
6:2,6
numerous
13:20
2:5 3:20 4:6,15
44:15 45:2,11,20
46:20,22 48:6,8 49:14
53:5,14 54:1,12 57:19
58:7,14,20 59:6,13,19
60:6,15,22 61:8 63:16
64:4,12,19 65:4,19
66:4,5,8 69:3,11,17
objections
9:17
obstructing
24:9
office
4:5 49:10,11,11 60:12
officer
72:2
offices
2:2
official
7:5 22:17
Okay
9:16,21 10:1,9,22
11:18 13:15 16:1
31:3 32:14 33:21
34:18 68:11
once
58:5
one
20:18
operating
32:4 42:17 43:15
operation
25:6 37:1 45:1,9
opinion
4:1 5:1 6:1
29:18 30:5
oath
opportunity
10:11
47:11
object
order
24:11
14:20 15:19 29:4,19
objection
31:1,8 36:7,15,20
8:21 10:14 12:7 13:12
40:2,9,15 61:6,12,17
13:19 17:9 20:3
66:7
21:13 22:19 23:16
Orfanedes
27:15 28:3,11,21,22
3:6 7:21,21
29:2,5 30:15,20 31:5 Oscar
32:7 34:13 36:6,12,14 66:10
36:19 37:4,20 38:7,22 other
39:15 40:1,8,14 41:12 9:6,18 12:19,20 13:6
41:22 42:9 43:2,7,18
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43:16 44:3 48:22
64:2
otherwise
14:7 72:12
outcome
72:12
outset
25:10
outside
8:22 10:14 11:4,21
12:8,12,22 13:7,21
14:13,20 15:16,22
23:18 29:1,9 30:2,20
36:6,14,19 40:1,8,14
45:8 61:5,11,16 66:6
66:8
oversee
37:1 38:3
OConnor
4:13 6:21,21
3:1,1 4:1,1 6:1
5:2,7 34:18
1:21
Pagliano
1:11 2:1 5:2 6:3,18,20
6:22 7:2,4 8:6,10,15
8:16 11:2,9,11 12:5
12:19 13:17 14:4,8,14
15:12 16:2 24:13,20
29:13 32:22 33:14,20
34:2,19 35:4,12 36:1
36:9 48:21 68:20
71:14
paid
17:15,20 42:15 43:1,13
44:3
part
23:14 44:13
parties
72:10
past
15:18
Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
Patrick
50:6 59:4
Paul
3:6 7:21
paying
66:2
pending
29:21 53:13,22 54:11
permissible
10:15 11:5,22 13:1
30:21 66:9
personal
49:13
Peterson
3:4 7:17,17
Philippe
19:9
place
6:10
plaintiff
1:5 3:2 8:8 29:19
Planet
2:4 6:9,10 8:2
Platte
65:10
pleadings
25:4
please
6:13 8:4,13 10:3 11:7
24:18 25:12 32:21
34:18
pointed
25:4
political
36:10
position
35:17
potential
23:15 29:12
preparation
12:20 14:17 15:13
prepare
15:6
preparing
13:4
PRESENT
4:19
preservation
53:20 54:9
President
64:11
PresidentClinton.com
70:9
previous
8:20
previously
71:4
prior
42:17
privilege
13:19 24:2,6,7 25:1,16
29:12,15 30:11,11
privileged
29:11 66:4
problems
41:11
pronouncing
8:16
properly
25:17 29:16
prosecution
23:15
provide
38:4 41:18
provided
14:10,15 40:17 41:2
43:14 44:5,11 45:17
46:11
providing
37:10
Public
2:14 72:1,21
purpose
21:12
purposes
9:2 13:3,5 24:9 53:12
53:21
Pursuant
2:12
17:12,17 18:1,7,14,21
19:5,8,13,18 20:8,15
20:21 21:6,17 22:4,13
22:22 23:5,11,14
24:18 25:11,19 26:3,9
26:16,19 27:1,8,19
28:15 29:15 30:4,7,9
30:12,13 31:3,11,16
31:22 32:11,17 34:5
34:15 35:1,8,20 37:7
37:14,22 38:10,17,20
39:2,9,18 40:21 41:6
41:14 42:3,12,20
43:10,22 44:8,19 45:5
45:14 46:1,8,15 47:3
47:8,15,22 48:11,18
49:5,17 50:3,8,14,21
51:6,11,18 52:3,11,19
53:8,16 54:3,6,14,20
55:3,10,17 56:4,11,18
57:3,10,21 58:9,16,22
59:3,8,11,15,21 60:9
60:17 61:11,16,21
62:6,12,15,19 63:4,11
63:20 64:6,14,17,21
65:2,6,14,17,21 66:12
66:18 67:1,5,10,16,21
68:5 69:6,13,19 70:5
70:12,17 71:1,7
questions
10:12,18 14:22 15:4
23:20 35:14 68:20
3:1 4:1,3 6:1
raise
24:7 53:11,19 54:9
59:18
raised
24:5 29:11 49:9,21
raises
23:14
raising
question
24:22
9:8,9,11,21 10:2,6,21
Ramona
12:17 13:18,22 14:2,4 3:3 6:15 8:10 33:10
15:4,11,22 16:4,13,22
66:17
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11:20
reading
72:8
reask
10:4 66:22
reason
10:11,17
reasonable
24:8
reasons
13:20
receive
70:2
receiving
68:22
recess
68:16
record
8:13 9:19 13:12 30:6
68:14,18 71:14,16
72:5
records
52:9,16 54:7,9 55:21
58:5
reduced
72:7
refer
17:4
referring
66:21
refusing
14:1
Reines
19:10
relate
15:5
related
45:8 72:10
relation
42:15 53:13
reliance
16:4,13,22 17:12,17
18:1,7,14,21 19:5,13
19:18 20:8,15,21 21:6
21:17 22:4,13,22 23:5
23:11 26:3,9,16 27:1
Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
27:8,19 28:15 31:11
31:16,22 32:11,17
34:5,15 35:1,8,14,20
37:7,14,22 38:10,17
39:2,9,18 40:21 41:6
41:14 42:3,12,20
43:10,22 44:8,19 45:5
45:14 46:1,8,15 47:3
47:8,15,22 48:11,18
49:5,17 50:3,8,14,21
51:6,11,18 52:3,11,19
53:8,16 54:3,14,20
55:3,10,17 56:4,11,18
57:3,10,21 58:9,16,22
59:8,15,21 60:9,17
61:21 62:6,12,19 63:4
63:11,20 64:6,14,21
65:6,14,21 66:12 67:5
67:10,16,21 68:5 69:6
69:13,19 70:5,12,17
71:1,7
remember
68:21
repeat
66:18
rephrase
28:5
report
36:18 45:8 50:11
Reported
1:22
reporter
2:13 8:1,4 9:4 33:18
72:1
represent
6:14 8:11 11:14 27:13
representation
12:3 66:3
representative
64:11
representatives
64:3,18 65:3
representing
6:9 8:2 27:14
request
52:9,16 53:21
requested
72:9
requests
53:3,13 54:11 55:22
reserve
25:13
residence
16:17
resolve
48:22 69:9
resolved
69:16
Resource
36:3
respect
16:10 17:3 19:8 21:22
22:9 23:21,22 24:22
29:12 38:20 43:15
44:12 54:6,10 59:3,11
64:17 65:2,10,17
70:21
respond
15:1
responding
53:21
response
52:9,16 53:2 55:22
responses
9:14,14
responsibilities
39:13
Retrieval
60:3
review
33:15 34:3
reviewed
11:11,15 12:20 13:6
14:8,14
right
9:1 13:13 16:7 17:3,15
19:8 24:15,16 33:9
rights
16:4,13,22 17:12,17
18:1,7,14,21 19:5,13
19:18 20:8,15,21 21:6
21:17 22:4,13,22 23:5
23:11 24:14 26:3,9,16
27:1,8,19 28:15 31:11
31:16,22 32:11,17
34:5,15 35:1,8,14,20
37:7,14,22 38:10,17
39:2,9,18 40:21 41:6
41:14 42:3,12,20
43:10,22 44:8,19 45:5
45:14 46:1,8,15 47:3
47:8,15,22 48:11,18
49:5,17 50:3,8,14,21
51:6,11,18 52:3,11,19
53:8,16 54:3,14,20
55:3,10,17 56:4,11,18
57:3,10,21 58:9,16,22
59:8,15,21 60:9,17
61:21 62:6,12,19 63:4
63:11,20 64:6,14,21
65:6,14,21 66:12 67:5
67:10,16,21 68:5 69:6
69:13,19 70:5,12,17
71:1,7
River
65:10
role
16:16 31:19 37:10
55:20
room
9:18
rules
9:1 sum
34:11 35:4
3:1 4:1 5:1,5 6:1
same
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Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
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server
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Shapiro
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SHORTHAND
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signing
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SMART
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Strauss
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subpoena
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Sullivan
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Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
take
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taken
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taking
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Tape
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technical
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tell
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ten
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tenure
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terminate
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testified
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Testify
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testimony
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Thank
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thing
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things
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think
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Third
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thousand
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thwart
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time
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today
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told
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transcribing
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transferring
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travel
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truthfully
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United
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U.S
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vague
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Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
videographer
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videotaped
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view
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voice-identify
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Wolverton
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work
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waived
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want
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worked
wanted
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working
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Washington
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Watch
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York
Wednesday
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Welcher
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Weve
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WHEREOF
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2010
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2013
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2014
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2015
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2016
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Videotaped Deposition Bryan Michael Pagliano
Conducted June 22, 2016
950
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