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JW v State Abedin Deposition 01363

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Transcript Huma Abedin
Date: June 28, 2016
Case: Judicial Watch, Inc. -v- U.S. Department State
Planet Depos, LLC
Phone: 888-433-3767
Fax: 888-503-3767
Email: transcripts@planetdepos.com
Internet: www.planetdepos.com
Worldwide Court Reporting Interpretation Trial Services THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT COLUMBIA
JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.,
Plaintiff, Civil Action No.
U.S. DEPARTMENT STATE,
Defendant. 13-cv-1363(EGS)
Videotaped Deposition HUMA ABEDIN
Washington,
Tuesday, June 28, 2016
9:29 a.m.
Job No.:
113000
Reported by:
Debra Whitehead
Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016
Videotaped Deposition HUMA ABEDIN, held the
offices of:
BRYAN CAVE, LLP
1155 Street,
Suite 700
Washington, 20004-1357
(202) 508-6000
Pursuant notice, before Debra Whitehead,
Approved Reporter the United States District Court
and Notary Public the District Columbia.
PLANET DEPOS
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016 BEHALF PLAINTIFF:
RAMONA COTCA, ESQUIRE
JAMES PETERSON, ESQUIRE
MICHAEL BEKESHA, ESQUIRE
PAUL ORFANEDES, ESQUIRE
JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.
425 Third Street, SW, Suite 800
Washington, 20024
(202) 646-5172 BEHALF DEFENDANT:
CAROLINE LEWIS WOLVERTON, ESQUIRE
MARCIA BERMAN, ESQUIRE
STEVEN MYERS, ESQUIRE
JOHN GRIFFITHS, ESQUIRE
SARAH PROSSER, ESQUIRE
U.S. DEPARTMENT JUSTICE
CIVIL DIVISION Massachusetts Avenue,
Washington, 20530
(202) 514-2205
PLANET DEPOS
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016 BEHALF DEFENDANT:
ALISON WELCHER, ESQUIRE
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT STATE
OFFICE THE LEGAL ADVISOR
2201 Street,
Washington, 20520
(202) 647-6371 BEHALF THE WITNESS:
MICHAEL BRILLE, ESQUIRE
MARTHA GOODMAN, ESQUIRE
BOIES, SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
5301 Wisconsin Avenue,
Washington, 20015
(202) 237-2727
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016 BEHALF THE WITNESS:
MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ, ESQUIRE
BRYAN CAVE LLP
1155 Street,
Washington, 20004-1357
(202) 508-6000
ALSO PRESENT:
JEREMY DINEEN, Video Specialist
THOMAS FITTON, President, Judicial Watch
GREGORY LAUDADIO, Judicial Watch
CHEYENNE TRIMELS, Judicial Watch
PLANET DEPOS
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016
EXAMINATION HUMA ABEDIN
PAGE Ms. Cotca Mr. Brille
217 Ms. Cotca
221
(Attached the Transcript)
ABEDIN EXHIBIT
Exhibit
Second Amended Subpoena Testify Deposition Civil Action,
PAGE
Huma Abedin
Exhibit
E-mail String
Exhibit
E-mail String
Exhibit
3/17/09 E-mail from Purcell Lee
147 Mr. Wagganer al.
Exhibit
E-mail String
152
Exhibit
5/7/09 E-mail from Mrs. Clinton
154 Ms. Jiloty
Exhibit
E-mail String
158
Exhibit
E-mail String
161
Exhibit
E-mail String
166
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
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ABEDIN EXHIBIT
PAGE
Exhibit
E-mail String
180
Exhibit
E-mail String
195
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
09:28:19
Here begins Tape Number
09:28:19 the videotaped deposition Huma Abedin the
09:28:33
matter Judicial Watch, Inc., the U.S.
09:28:36
Department State, the U.S. District Court for
09:28:40
the District Columbia, Case Number 13-CV-1363.
09:28:44
Todays date June 28, 2016.
09:28:51
The time the video monitor 9:29 a.m.
today Jeremy Dineen, representing Planet Depos.
09:29:00
This video deposition taking place Bryan Cave,
09:29:04
1155 Street, Northwest, Washington, DC.
09:29:08
Would counsel please voice-identify
themselves and state whom they represent.
MS. COTCA:
The videographer
Ramona Cotca, for Judicial
Watch.
09:28:55
09:29:12
09:29:14
09:29:17
09:29:20
MR. ORFANEDES:
Paul Orfanedes, for
Judicial Watch.
MR. BEKESHA:
09:29:22
Michael Bekesha, for
Judicial Watch.
MR. PETERSON:
09:29:22
09:29:25
James Peterson, for
Judicial Watch.
MR. FITTON:
09:29:20
09:29:25
09:29:25
Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
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President.
MR. LAUDADIO:
MR. MYERS:
09:29:36
09:29:36
Alison Welcher, State
Department.
09:29:36
09:29:38
Marcia Berman, State
Department.
09:29:41
09:29:42
MS. WOLVERTON:
Caroline Wolverton, State
Department.
MR. RODRIGUEZ:
Steven Myers, State
MS. WELCHER:
MS. BERMAN:
09:29:34
09:29:36
Department.
John Griffiths, State
Department.
09:29:30
09:29:34
MR. GRIFFITHS:
Cheyenne Trimels, Judicial
Watch.
09:29:28
09:29:30
MS. TRIMELS:
Gregory Laudadio, Judicial
Watch.
09:29:28
Miguel Rodriguez, for Huma
Abedin.
MS. GOODMAN:
Martha Goodman, for
Ms. Abedin.
MR. BRILLE:
09:29:46
Mike Brille; Boies,
Schiller Flexner, for Ms. Abedin.
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
The court reporter
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09:29:47
09:29:52
09:29:52
Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016
today Debbie Whitehead, representing Planet
09:29:52
Depos.
09:29:54
Would the reporter please swear the
witness.
09:29:54
HUMA ABEDIN,
09:29:54
09:29:54
having been duly sworn, testified follows:
EXAMINATION COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFF MS. COTCA:
09:30:03
09:30:03
09:30:03
Good morning, Ms. Abedin. name
09:30:09
Ramona Cotca, and represent Judicial Watch this
09:30:12
lawsuit.
09:30:15
Could you
09:30:17
Good morning.
09:30:18
Good morning.
09:30:19
Could you for the record please state your
09:30:20
full name?
Huma Abedin.
09:30:23
Okay.
09:30:24
Yes, can hear you.
09:30:22
Can you hear okay?
Theres little bit echo, but can hear you okay.
Okay.
Have you ever had your deposition
taken before?
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09:30:28
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Conducted June 28, 2016
No.
Okay.
This first time.
09:30:34 would like over some
09:30:35
ground rules for the deposition. you know,
09:30:37
youve been sworn under oath. have the court
09:30:39
reporter here who transcribing everything that
09:30:41
are saying here today.
09:30:44
that try not speak over each other. best let you finish answering the
09:30:49
questions, and then even though you may anticipate
09:30:52
the question that about ask, would just ask
09:30:54
that you let finish asking the question
09:30:57
dont speak over each other.
09:30:59
Okay. will that fair?
Yes.
For that reason, would ask
09:30:46
09:31:02
The next instruction ground rule
09:31:02
would that all your responses should verbal,
09:31:05
not shakes the heads nods, the court
09:31:08
reporter can take the transcript.
09:31:11 that fair?
09:31:13
09:31:14
Yes.
Okay. you dont understand question
09:31:14
that asking you would like some
09:31:21
clarification, please let know.
09:31:23 you not,
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will assume that you have understood the question
09:31:27
that being asked.
09:31:28
Okay?
Makes sense.
09:31:30
Okay.
09:31:31 will try through this
quickly possible.
point just let know, and sure well come
09:31:38
good stopping point for you take for
09:31:42
take break.
09:31:44
Okay.
Fair?
Okay. you need break any
09:31:35
09:31:46 there any reason why you believe
09:31:46
that you would not able answer all the
09:31:52
questions truthfully here today?
09:31:54
There reason.
09:31:57
Okay.
09:31:57 work the Hillary for America
What your current employment?
presidential campaign.
09:32:04
Okay. the vice-chair the campaign.
09:32:07
Okay.
09:32:08
(Abedin Deposition Exhibit marked for
09:32:08
And what your position?
09:32:01
identification and attached the transcript.)
Just very briefly, would like show
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09:32:12
Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
Conducted June 28, 2016
you whats been marked Exhibit
MS. COTCA: think have enough copies.
Maybe not. the room.
09:32:20
09:32:25
And thats copy your subpoena for
your deposition here today.
MR. BRILLE:
There are lot people
09:32:16 dont know.
09:32:13
recognize it? that right? the question does she
Well stipulate that this copy the subpoena.
09:32:27
09:32:48
09:32:50
09:32:52
MS. COTCA:
09:32:18
Okay.
09:32:53
Have you seen the subpoena prior today?
09:32:53
No, have not.
09:32:55
Okay.
09:32:56
Prior coming here today, have
you reviewed any other documents preparation for
09:32:59
your deposition today?
09:33:02
Yes.
Okay.
09:33:03
And what are those documents that
youve reviewed?
MR. BRILLE:
09:33:05 going object and
instruct the witness not answer.
MS. COTCA:
MR. BRILLE:
09:33:03 what basis? the basis that work
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09:33:07
09:33:09
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
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product and protected the attorney-client
09:33:11
privilege.
09:33:13
Have you reviewed any the documents
09:33:15
that have been produced the State Department
09:33:20
preparation for your deposition here today?
09:33:23
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation.
09:33:29
09:33:30
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
You can answer
09:33:33
09:33:34
MR. BRILLE:
You can answer.
09:33:34 the extent you
understand.
09:33:35
Yes, have.
09:33:36
Okay.
09:33:36
And what are the documents that
youve reviewed that have been previously produced
09:33:39 the State Department?
09:33:41
MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
Instruct the witness not answer.
09:33:44
You can ask her shes reviewed
09:33:46
documents outside outside meetings with her
09:33:48
counsel, you can that.
But not going let
09:33:50
you ask her about the documents shes reviewed with
09:33:52
her counsel.
09:33:54
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Videotaped Deposition Huma Abedin
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Okay.
Are all the documents that
youve reviewed the presence your counsel?
Yes.
Okay.
09:33:55
09:33:58
09:34:00
Other than meeting with your
09:34:00
attorneys, did you speak with anybody about your
09:34:11
deposition today?
09:34:13
No, have not.
09:34:15
Okay.
09:34:16
Did you discuss your testimony here
today with Secretary Clinton?
09:34:19
No, did not.
09:34:21
Okay.
09:34:22 like over just general
background your employment the State
09:34:27
Department.
09:34:29
When did you begin working for the State
09:34:29
Department?
09:34:31 was January 2009.
09:34:32
Okay.
09:34:35
And what was your position the
time?
09:34:38 was Deputy Chief Staff the Office the Secretary.
operations the Office the Secretary.
Deputy Chief Staff for
And how long did you stay the State
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09:34:41
09:34:46
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Department?
09:34:50
09:34:50 stayed throughout her tenure, until
2013.
09:34:53
Okay.
That would February 2013?
09:34:53 that correct?
09:34:56
That correct.
09:34:57
And did your position change all while
09:34:57
you were the State Department?
09:35:00
Yes, did.
09:35:01
Okay.
09:35:01
When did change, and how did what did change to? changed, memory serves
09:35:03
09:35:05
correctly, the last six months was about June
09:35:09 2012, and transitioned being senior
09:35:13
advisor the Office the Secretary.
09:35:15
Okay.
And why did the change take place?
Objection.
09:35:19
MR. BRILLE:
Instruct the witness not answer.
09:35:23
MS. COTCA:
09:35:25
MR. BRILLE: what basis?
Its outside the scope the
deposition.
Not only outside the scope, its
specifically prohibited the judges order.
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Inquiry into her status, the change her status
09:35:32
the time.
09:35:38
MS. WOLVERTON:
objection.
Ill voice the same
09:35:38
09:35:41
Okay. the Deputy Chief Staff, what
09:35:41
were your duties and responsibilities the State
09:35:44
Department?
09:35:48
09:35:49 responsibilities were the long-term and
short-term planning, coordinating with other senior
09:35:54
members the department and other agencies, and
09:35:58
then working with the Secretarys scheduler, and her
09:36:02
team who traveled with her, implement her
09:36:04
domestic and foreign travel.
09:36:07
Okay.
When you said long-term planning
09:36:08
and short-term planning, what planning are you
09:36:11
talking about?
09:36:13
Her overseas trips and domestic trips and
09:36:13
events that she would Washington the
09:36:17
department and throughout the city.
09:36:19
Okay.
And did you continue having those
09:36:20
roles, those duties and responsibilities, when your
09:36:26
position changed 2012?
09:36:29
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MR. BRILLE:
You can answer that, yes.
09:36:35
Yes, they did.
09:36:37
Okay.
09:36:38
And one other thing should have
said.
There may objections that may raised
during the deposition, and thats fine.
your attorney instructs you not answer, you still
09:36:46
must answer the question.
09:36:49
But unless
Fair?
09:36:40
09:36:42 course.
09:36:50
Okay.
09:36:51
Thats its first time ...
09:36:52
Thats okay.
09:36:53 understand, though.
09:36:55
Sure.
Thank you.
09:36:56
Okay.
And did you continue working for
09:37:01
the Secretary when you left the State Department?
09:37:04
Yes.
Okay.
09:37:07 like change the conversation
09:37:07 the questions the Clinton server for the
09:37:15
Clinton e-mail accounts.
09:37:21
When say the Clinton server, you
09:37:24
understand that mean the server that provided
09:37:27 that was connected the e-mail accounts, the
09:37:30
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e-mail account for Secretary Clinton with domain
09:37:34
@Clintonemail.com?
09:37:37
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
09:37:38
Vague.
Same objection.
Form.
09:37:39
09:37:40
Okay.
09:37:42
Yes, now understand understand
09:37:44
what you are what youre referring to, yes.
Okay.
And just for clarity the record,
Ill refer the Clinton server.
agree, during the deposition?
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Can
Same objection.
Same objection.
09:37:47
09:37:48
09:37:52
09:37:55
09:37:57
09:37:58
Can agree?
09:38:00
Understood.
09:38:01
Thank you.
Okay.
09:38:01
When was the server set up?
09:38:07 dont know exactly.
09:38:10 you have and not looking for
09:38:11
specific date, but time frame when the server
09:38:14
was set up?
09:38:17
09:38:19 wasnt involved the the setting
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09:38:23
give you would speculating.
09:38:26
Okay.
When did you first become aware
the Clinton server?
09:38:29
09:38:35 dont dont know that experienced
09:38:39
the the notion the server for for
09:38:43
purposes.
09:38:49
address. was matter obtaining e-mail dont ...
09:38:53
Okay.
09:38:59 didnt really think about the server
09:39:00
until the all the press reports the last year
09:39:01
and half
09:39:04
Okay.
09:39:05 came out.
09:39:06
Okay.
09:39:07
And you just testified that was matter obtaining e-mail address.
tell more about that?
you mean that?
Yes.
Can you
Can you explain that, what
Yes, course. the towards the end 2008, after
09:39:09
09:39:11
09:39:15
09:39:16
09:39:17
the presidential campaign had ended, Secretary
09:39:19
Clintons first presidential campaign had ended and
09:39:23
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she was leaving the Senate, was losing both
09:39:25
Senate e-mail, well Clinton campaign
09:39:30
e-mail.
09:39:34
And reached out the person had
09:39:36
generally been touch with President Clintons
09:39:41
office matters and asked him what should do,
09:39:44
since was losing e-mail account.
09:39:46 e-mail account associated with the Clinton family
09:39:49 deal with their deal with their personal
09:39:52
matters.
09:39:55
Okay. always had
And was this before starting the
State Department?
09:39:55
09:39:58
Yeah, would have been prior
09:40:00 starting the State Department when had the
09:40:03
conversations, because were was losing
09:40:05
the process transitioning.
09:40:07
Okay.
So, yes.
And who did you speak with for
who the person that you spoke to? memory that was Justin Cooper,
who worked President Clintons office.
What was his position President
Clintons office?
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09:40:25
traveled with him and did had many
09:40:30
responsibilities, and one them was helping with
09:40:37
the support.
09:40:40
Okay.
And with respect obtaining
09:40:42
e-mail address, what happened after you informed
09:40:44
Justin Cooper about the need for you have another
09:40:48
e-mail account set up?
09:40:51
From memory, had mentioned that
09:40:53
they there was @Clintonemail.com address that
09:40:59 could provide for me, that was doing similar
09:41:02
arrangement for the Secretary, and that could
09:41:07
that could also have that e-mail address.
09:41:12
sent me.
And
09:41:14
Okay. was Huma@Clintonemail.com.
09:41:17
Okay.
09:41:19
And what was that e-mail address?
And what was the Secretarys e-mail
address that account, that server?
09:41:15
09:41:22 was HDR22@Clintonemail.com.
09:41:25
Okay.
09:41:34 Justin Cooper the only
individual you spoke that time frame about
09:41:42
getting e-mail account set up?
09:41:45
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Justin who remember talking to.
Over
09:41:48
the years there was there were two people
09:41:50
talked about issues.
09:41:53
Bryan Pagliano.
Okay. was either Justin
09:41:56
And well get Mr. Pagliano.
But
09:41:58
just for clarification, with respect your
09:42:00
communications with Bryan Pagliano, were those
09:42:05
once the e-mail account was set and dealing with
09:42:10
technical issues?
09:42:14
MR. BRILLE:
question. sorry, didnt catch the
read back,
Can you can you restate it?
Can you
09:42:18
09:42:19
09:42:23
With respect Mr. your conversations
09:42:26
with Mr. Pagliano, was that connection with
09:42:27
setting the e-mail account?
09:42:32
Justin,
09:42:34
for the many years before, was our primary point
09:42:38
contact.
09:42:40
was broken, you called Justin, got fixed very
09:42:45
quickly.
09:42:48
primary point contact. memory talked Justin.
And and, frankly, every time anything was Justin was usually
Were there times when called him and
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said, You should consult with Bryan, yes.
remember the time frame.
was well, know Bryan wasnt really involved
09:43:00 anything related for the Clintons
09:43:05
until the until the campaign, the 2008
09:43:09
presidential campaign.
09:43:12
Okay. dont
And dont believe Bryan
And when when Mr. Cooper told
09:42:55
09:42:58
09:43:12
you advised you and consult with
09:43:19
Mr. Pagliano, you recall the issues?
09:43:21 was usually our e-mail wasnt
09:43:23
working, you know, there was delay, cant figure
09:43:25
out whats going on.
Usually
09:43:29
Justin would just fix over the phone.
And then,
09:43:32
but were there periods where said, Call Bryan?
09:43:36
Absolutely.
09:43:38
09:43:41 would call Justin. you know why the Clintonemail.com
system was set up?
09:43:43 the system the system? sorry,
can you explain, ask the question?
Sure.
09:43:53
Why was the e-mails with the
Clinton @Clintonemail.com created?
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
09:43:48
09:43:56
09:44:01
Form.
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Well, mentioned earlier,
09:44:06 was losing both e-mail addresses the
end the presidential campaign and the Senate.
both my, you know, Clinton e-mail addresses were
09:44:15
going.
09:44:21
09:44:09 needed new e-mail. remember just reaching out and saying,
09:44:23
what should do.
HillaryClinton.com, and suggested
09:44:28
@Clintonemail.com being option.
09:44:32
Okay. longer going have
09:44:12 that time did Secretary Clinton
09:44:25
09:44:36
already have e-mail account associated with the
09:44:41
@Clintonemail.com?
09:44:44
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation.
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
09:44:47
09:44:47
Thats ...
She had e-mail account, yes.
09:44:49 was was another e-mail that
09:44:50
not @Clinton e-mail.
was associated with the BlackBerry she was using
09:44:55
during the presidential campaign.
09:45:00
09:44:52
And what was that e-mail address?
09:45:01 was think was
09:45:02
HR15@ATT.BlackBerry.net.
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Okay.
When did you first become aware the
And did well, strike that.
HDR22@Clintonemail.com account for the Secretary? would have been around the same time.
09:45:09
09:45:23
09:45:24
09:45:29 were were both transitioning around the
09:45:31
same same time.
09:45:34
Okay.
And you know why Secretarys
e-mail address was set up?
Yes.
09:45:38 mentioned, she had had
09:45:42
previous e-mail account that was her BlackBerry.
09:45:46
She had had been experiencing technical issues.
09:45:50
She had been having problems with that BlackBerry,
09:45:53
with that e-mail address.
And they also gave her
09:45:55 @Clintonemail.com address they could help with
09:46:02 issues.
09:46:05
09:45:34
Okay. you know anyone else had any
09:46:06
involvement the technical side setting the
09:46:30
Clintonemail.com system, other than Justin Cooper?
09:46:32 dont know who else was involved.
09:46:36
Okay.
09:46:41 you know who paid for the
server?
09:46:43 dont.
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09:46:43
09:46:47 dont know.
09:46:49
Okay.
09:46:49
MS. WOLVERTON:
mind speaking just little bit?
hard hearing you down here.
MS. COTCA:
Ramona, sorry, you
Its kind
09:46:52
09:46:53
09:46:56
Its big room.
Sure.
Ill
09:46:57 best.
09:47:00
09:47:01
How many e-mail accounts were associated
with the Clintonemail.com system
09:47:06
MS. WOLVERTON:
09:47:10 2009?
09:47:11
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Objection.
Lack
foundation.
09:47:13
MR. BRILLE:
09:47:12
Same objection.
09:47:13 understanding was Chelsea.
09:47:15
Chelsea.
09:47:17
And nobody else from the State
Department had e-mail account associated with the
09:47:21
Clintonemail.com system
09:47:23
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection that you know of?
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MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE: lack foundation.
Same objection.
09:47:28
09:47:29
Thats correct.
09:47:30
Okay.
09:47:30
And when you came the State
Department, were you also assigned e-mail account
09:47:46
issued the State Department?
09:47:51
Yes, was.
09:47:52
Okay.
09:47:52
That was AbedinH@State.gov.
09:47:55
Okay.
09:47:59
And what was that e-mail account?
And did you use that account for
your state-related work?
09:48:02
Yes, did.
09:48:06
Okay.
09:48:07
Did you also use your e-mail
account that was issued with the domain
09:48:09
@Clintonemail.com for your State Department work?
09:48:15 practice was use State.gov
09:48:19 did the vast majority work
09:48:23
e-mail.
State.gov, computer and BlackBerry when
09:48:27 traveled.
09:48:31
And used Clinton e-mail for just about
everything everything else. used that for the
Clinton family matters and, frankly, used for
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Okay.
09:48:42
But you also used times for
state-related matters?
Yes.
09:48:47
There were occasions when did
that, correct.
Okay.
09:48:43
09:48:48
09:48:50
And were there occasions when you
09:48:51
used that with Secretary Clinton, where both you
09:48:53
used only the Clintonemail.com accounts?
09:48:58
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Form.
There were occasions when that when
that occurred, yes.
Okay.
09:49:01
09:49:03
09:49:05
When you were working the State
09:49:06
Department, other than your Clintonemail.com account
09:49:16
and your State.gov account, did you have any other
09:49:19
e-mail accounts that you used any point for
09:49:22
work-related matters the State Department?
09:49:28 had Yahoo e-mail, Yahoo.com e-mail
09:49:33
account that was purely personal account
09:49:37
where that rarely used.
09:49:44
occasions when forwarded State Department press
09:49:46
clips that account printed.
09:49:50
Okay.
But there were
And any other e-mail accounts that
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you used when you were the State Department?
No.
Okay.
09:49:54
09:49:56
And for your State.gov e-mail
09:49:56
account, were you issued BlackBerry the State
09:50:05
Department?
09:50:09
Yes, was.
09:50:10
Okay.
09:50:10
And other than your State.gov
e-mail account, did you have access any other
09:50:16
e-mail accounts for your State Department-issued
09:50:17
BlackBerry?
09:50:21 were not allowed have
09:50:22
another e-mail account our State.gov devices.
09:50:25
No.
Okay.
And how that you came
issued BlackBerry the State Department? recollection was was part the
transition process into the State Department.
They remember, somebody came into
09:50:27
09:50:29
09:50:33
09:50:35
09:50:39 office and gave box with BlackBerry it,
09:50:41
and signed form.
09:50:44
Okay. you didnt ask anybody for
state-issued BlackBerry; you were just given one? dont remember asking.
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experienced just part our you know, the
09:50:53
transition that the new staff the State
09:50:57
Department would were was receiving, least
09:51:01 office.
09:51:03
Okay.
And you recall who that was who
09:51:03
came and handed you the BlackBerry that was issued
09:51:06 the State Department?
09:51:08 dont specifically remember the the
person who handed BlackBerry, no.
Okay.
Were there any discussions during
09:51:10
09:51:13
09:51:16
that time and speaking during the
09:51:21
transition
09:51:26
Yeah.
09:51:26 what you referred the transition
09:51:26
time, were there any discussions about Secretary
09:51:28
Clinton having BlackBerry for her e-mail use?
09:51:30
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
Same objection. dont remember any conversations
09:51:33
09:51:34
09:51:37
during the transition period about giving her
09:51:39
State Department BlackBerry.
09:51:45
conversations remember were few months in, where the only
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she had requested secure BlackBerry, but that did
09:51:53
not come fruition.
09:51:57
Did the Secretary have BlackBerry
09:51:58
for her use the while she was the Secretary
09:52:03
State?
09:52:09
Yes, she did.
09:52:09
Okay.
09:52:10
BlackBerry?
09:52:14
09:52:15
Okay.
And how did she come have that
That
MR. BRILLE: ahead.
09:52:17
That was the BlackBerry that she had
09:52:17
Objection form.
09:52:15
received, you know, late 2008 the conclusion
09:52:19 the presidential campaign.
09:52:25
Okay.
09:52:28 was her personal BlackBerry that she
09:52:29
came with.
Okay.
09:52:31
And what e-mail account was
associated with that BlackBerry?
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
09:52:31
09:52:33
Foundation.
Same objection.
That was the HDR22@Clintonemail.com.
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Okay.
Was did the Secretary have any
09:52:41
other electronic devices, such smart phones,
09:52:46
iPads, mini iPad, that was also connected her
09:52:49
@Clintonemail.com account?
09:52:53
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Foundation.
09:52:55
When she arrived State?
09:52:57
Anytime during her tenure the State
09:52:58
Department.
MS. WOLVERTON:
09:53:01
Same objection.
While she was State, she did
09:53:02
09:53:04
she did obtain iPad, and that did that did
09:53:06
have her e-mail account.
09:53:11
e-mail that, that iPad.
She could access her was not her practice so, but when
09:53:17
09:53:20
her system her BlackBerry went down, there was
09:53:24
period where know she did use her e-mail her
09:53:27
iPad for maybe week two, remember
09:53:29
correctly.
09:53:31
And other than the iPad, were there
any other smart phones -MS. WOLVERTON:
Okay.
09:53:32
09:53:34
Same objection. that Secretary Clinton used access
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her e-mail during her tenure the State
09:53:40
Department?
09:53:42
No.
Okay.
No.
09:53:42
Did you and this either
09:53:43
during the transition period shortly after,
09:53:56
late 2008, early 2009.
09:53:59
Did you and the Secretary discuss your use
09:54:02 the e-mail with domain @Clintonemail.com for
09:54:05
State Department work?
09:54:12
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Form. have recollection having
conversation like that with her.
Okay.
Did you have any such discussions
with anybody else the State Department?
MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
09:54:14
09:54:16
09:54:18
09:54:19
09:54:26
09:54:29
Any discussions, sorry, about?
09:54:31
About how about your use the
09:54:34
Clintonemail.com account for State Department
09:54:36
work-related matters.
09:54:41 dont remember having any specific
09:54:42
discussions, but the address, wasnt people
09:54:44
there are you okay?
09:54:48
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Yeah.
Sorry.
09:54:53
But people the State Department
09:54:54
did have Clinton e-mail account.
They when
09:54:56
State.gov was down, thats how they contacted me,
09:54:59
communicated with me.
09:55:02
Okay.
And how did they well, lets
09:55:03
start with, who the State Department had access
09:55:05 your e-mail, your Clinton e-mail account?
09:55:08 couldnt tell you exactly name name generally
09:55:12
who had Clinton e-mail account.
were were was people were individuals who
09:55:18
needed communicate, send schedule were
09:55:21
overseas and State.gov was down, the individuals
09:55:23
State who had send the schedule for the next day
09:55:28 send document would send Clinton e-mail,
09:55:30
generally State.gov.
09:55:36
But would have given would have
09:55:14
09:55:39
given that address people secondary address
09:55:40
when State.gov wasnt working.
09:55:43
Okay.
And how did they obtain your e-mail
account?
09:55:45
09:55:47
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
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MS. WOLVERTON:
Same objection. would have provided e-mail address
09:55:50
09:55:51 colleagues who would need reach me,
09:55:54
particularly were were overseas.
09:55:56
Okay.
And what about Secretary Clinton;
09:55:58
did she have any discussions with anybody the
09:56:03
State Department and this again the early
09:56:05
2008, two thousand late 2008, early 2009 time
09:56:08
frame about her use her Clinton e-mail account
09:56:11
for State Department business?
09:56:17
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Objection.
09:56:19
Lack foundation, lack personal knowledge.
MR. BRILLE:
Same. dont know.
09:56:23 you know.
09:56:19
09:56:21
09:56:18
09:56:23 dont
know.
09:56:24
09:56:26
Okay.
And all these questions are just
based what you know.
09:56:26
09:56:32
Thank you.
09:56:34 you know why did the Secretary not
09:56:39
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continue using her HRC15@ATT.Blackberry.net account
09:56:52
exclusively, like she did when she was Senator?
09:57:01
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Foundation.
Same objection. think mentioned earlier she was having
Throughout the
09:57:04
09:57:05
09:57:07
problems with that ATT address.
presidential campaign she was using it, throughout
09:57:12
the 2008 presidential campaign, and was constantly
09:57:18
having issues.
09:57:21
And was just natural
transition. came with new device and new new e-mail address.
difficulties. was just technical
09:57:09
09:57:22
09:57:25
09:57:29
09:57:33
What came with new device?
09:57:33
HDR22@Clintonemail.com.
09:57:35
Okay.
09:57:37
Thank you.
Did you, during that time frame again,
09:57:42
discuss with Secretary Clinton about having
09:57:44
separate e-mail account for state business and
09:57:47
having separate e-mail account for your personal
09:57:49
matters?
09:57:51
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Asked and
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09:57:53
You can answer.
MS. WOLVERTON:
09:57:54
Same objection. dont remember having conversations like
that with her, no.
09:57:54
09:57:56
09:57:57 you recall any discussions late
09:57:58
2008, early 2009, about the Secretary about
09:58:08
Secretary Clinton having e-mail issued the
09:58:13
State Department for her state-related work?
09:58:16
No, dont remember.
09:58:19 you know why Secretary Clinton did not
09:58:21
want use state-issued e-mail account for her
09:58:32
state-related work?
09:58:35
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Objection.
Lack foundation,
09:58:36
09:58:37
09:58:38
assumes facts not evidence.
09:58:39
MR. BRILLE:
09:58:40 from understanding, just saw
09:58:42
continue doing what she was doing before she arrived
09:58:46 the State Department.
09:58:48
Same objection.
She had always had personal device since
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she had started using e-mail.
Thats what she used
when she was the Senate.
Senate.gov account.
Hillary Clinton campaign account.
She did not have
And she also did not have
09:58:53
09:58:55
09:58:59
She experienced continuing the
09:58:51
09:59:01
practice that she had had prior arriving the
09:59:04
State Department, and continuing use her personal
09:59:08
device.
09:59:10
Okay.
09:59:11
That was decision that she had made.
09:59:12
When you started the State Department
09:59:13
and provided your e-mail address some the
09:59:16
colleagues associated with the Clinton e-mail
09:59:19
account, did anybody tell you not use e-mail
09:59:23
with the Clinton not use the Clinton e-mail
09:59:33
account for work-related purposes?
09:59:36
MR. BRILLE: ahead.
09:59:39
Well, dont dont dont
09:59:40
Objection.
Form.
09:59:39
remember specific conversation like that.
But
09:59:42 think mentioned earlier, used State.gov
09:59:44
for work.
09:59:48
That was that was work e-mail
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address.
That was work BlackBerry.
That was
primary BlackBerry, particularly when traveled.
was traveled good good percentage
09:59:55
life was the road, and State Department
10:00:00
BlackBerry was primary.
10:00:03
09:59:50 always tried the right
09:59:52
10:00:04
thing and tried State.gov BlackBerry.
10:00:07
That was practice.
10:00:10
not was not something that understood
10:00:15 primary work e-mail, aside from personal matters
10:00:19 they related the Secretary and her family and
10:00:24
her friends, and then personal e-mails.
10:00:28
Okay.
And using Clinton e-mail was
But did anybody the State
10:00:31
Department tell you not use your Clinton e-mail
10:00:36
account for State-related purposes?
10:00:39
MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
10:00:41 dont remember specific conversation
10:00:44
with somebody with somebody telling telling
10:00:45
that.
10:00:49 Ive stated earlier, practice was use
10:00:55
State.gov for work e-mail.
10:00:59
And assumed was okay do. dont
Did think wasnt allowed use
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was permitted.
State.gov.
No. thought thought that
But practice was use
10:01:04
10:01:08
10:01:11
Okay. you know anybody the State
10:01:12
Department told Secretary Clinton not use her
10:01:15
Clinton e-mail account for State-related matters?
10:01:18
Not that aware of.
10:01:21
Okay.
10:01:22 you recall when Secretary
Clinton first began using her Clinton e-mail
10:01:41
account?
10:01:45 would have been early 2009; late
2008, maybe early 2009.
Okay.
10:01:45
10:01:52
And just briefly going back the
Does she
10:01:56
Secretarys HR15@ATT.BlackBerry account.
continue using that during her tenure the State
10:02:15
Department?
10:02:17
10:02:17 believe that that that address
transitioned out.
she she transitioned the Clinton e-mail
10:02:22
account.
10:02:25 think that just went away, and
10:02:06 dont know there was any
overlap, and would was during that
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But she transitioned Clinton
e-mail.
10:02:31
10:02:34 you know that account was
deactivated?
10:02:38
10:02:40 assume -MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
Objection.
10:02:41
10:02:43 believe so. certainly
certainly was not e-mailing her that account.
10:02:35
Okay.
Are you aware any other e-mail
10:02:43
10:02:46
10:02:50
accounts that the Secretary may have used for
10:03:01
work-related purposes during her tenure the State
10:03:04
Department?
10:03:07
10:03:09 memory serves
correctly, think the HDR22 was the only e-mail
10:03:11
address she used, aside from the transition period
10:03:16
from the ATT e-mail address.
10:03:20
towards the end her time State after she
10:03:25
left State, she transitioned another e-mail
10:03:27
address.
10:03:30
Okay.
And then either
When you said the transition
period, when she transitioned out using the
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10:03:35
Uh-huh.
10:03:37 what was how long was that period?
10:03:38 dont know.
10:03:40
early 2009. couldnt tell you specifically.
Okay.
Thank you.
HR15@ATT.Blackberry.net for Secretary Clinton?
10:03:41
10:03:43
Are you familiar with e-mail address would say sometime believe thats the e-mail address weve
been discussing.
10:03:48
10:03:51
10:03:55
10:03:57
Well, this HR15, not HRC15. honestly cant remember.
she had ATT.Blackberry.net address.
10:03:58 know
10:04:06 the
10:04:08
first few think that was HR15.
Okay. sorry.
10:04:13
10:04:15 dont dont dont
10:04:16
know the the difference between those two e-mail
10:04:18
addresses.
10:04:20
Okay.
And you accessed your Clinton
10:04:20
e-mail account via your BlackBerry associated with
10:04:36
that account.
10:04:39
Right? had BlackBerry, and could access
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Okay.
10:04:43
MR. MYERS:
really hard hear.
MS. COTCA:
10:04:41
Ramona, sorry.
Its
10:04:46 you could speak again.
10:04:50
Sorry.
10:04:52
Thanks for the
reminder.
10:04:54 you know Clarence Finney?
10:05:02 know Clarence Finney, yes.
10:05:03
And who Clarence Finney during your
10:05:05
time the State Department? was responsible for the records and
management office.
office.
Okay.
And was the director the
Correct?
Yes.
Okay.
10:05:10
10:05:12 not sure that was his exact
Did Mr. Finney know about your
MS. WOLVERTON:
10:05:17
10:05:20
Objection.
Lack
foundation, personal knowledge.
Hold second.
10:05:22
10:05:23
About Clinton e-mail?
MR. BRILLE:
10:05:14
10:05:15
Clintonemail.com account?
10:05:08
10:05:09
title, but that was understanding, yes.
10:05:07
10:05:25
Youve got
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10:05:27
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THE WITNESS:
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She
Sorry. apologize.
Thats okay.
Thats okay.
She made objection.
10:05:29
10:05:30
10:05:31
Ill Ill say same objection.
10:05:32
Now you can answer.
10:05:34
About Clintonemail.com account?
10:05:39
Yeah.
10:05:41
Did have knowledge about your
account?
10:05:43
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
Same objection.
10:05:44
10:05:45 dont know.
10:05:46
Did you ever give him your e-mail address
10:05:47 the Clintonemail.com account? Clarence. dont remember specifically gave
Okay.
10:05:55
10:05:57
Did you give anybody his
office?
10:05:52
10:05:58
10:06:00 dont know. think Clarence was the
10:06:04
only person that office have communicated
10:06:05
with.
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How did you normally communicate
with Mr. Finney?
10:06:11 remember two specific occasions when
10:06:13
had first arrived, having meeting with team
10:06:17
about the kinds materials that could bring in.
10:06:22
The Secretary did have lot personal files
10:06:26
coming with her.
10:06:28
bring and where would go.
10:06:10
And discussing what would
10:06:32
And then remember before left had
10:06:34 meeting again with the same team and Clarence
10:06:36
about what were allowed take.
10:06:39
instructed the process that needed
10:06:42
through review our materials and place them
10:06:45
boxes, which his office and his office then
10:06:50
reviewed and pulled out what they determined
10:06:53
could not take with us, and the other boxes were
10:06:58
allowed leave with.
10:07:02
And you know Mr. Finney was aware
10:07:03
Secretary Clintons e-mail the Clintonemail.com
10:07:08
system?
10:07:12 dont know was.
10:07:13 you know Stephen Mull?
10:07:14
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10:07:26
Okay.
10:07:28
And was working the State
Department when you were there.
Yes.
Okay.
Correct?
10:07:30
10:07:31
And what was his position with the
State Department?
10:07:31
10:07:33 was was the Executive Secretary.
10:07:35
Okay.
10:07:40
And did you, during your work for
the State Department, did you occasion
10:07:44
communicate and interact with Mr. Mull for
10:07:47
work-related purposes?
10:07:50
Yes. saw Steve when was
10:07:51
during the period that was Executive Secretary
10:07:55
saw him every day.
10:07:57
Okay.
And did you provide your e-mail
10:07:58
account associated with the Clintonemail.com system
10:08:01 Mr. Mull?
10:08:07
10:08:10 dont know Steve specifically
gave Steve.
Okay. cant remember Steve had it.
10:08:13
How about Lewis Lukens; you know
10:08:20
Mr. Lukens?
10:08:25
10:08:27 know know Lew, yes.
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Okay.
And also was working with you
the State Department.
Okay.
10:08:32
Yes.
Correct?
10:08:30
10:08:33
And what was Mr. Lukens position
then?
10:08:34
10:08:36 was also the Executive Secretariat.
10:08:36
Okay.
10:08:38
And did you interact with
Mr. Lukens during your time the State Department
10:08:42
for work-related matters?
10:08:45
Yes. daily basis, and many
10:08:47
countries around the world.
Okay.
10:08:50
And did Mr. Lukens did you
10:08:51
provide him your e-mail address associated with your
10:08:53
account the Clintonemail.com system?
10:08:57
You are testing memory.
10:09:00 dont know dont know Lew had
10:09:02
it, but would surprised didnt.
Because
10:09:05 lot times State.gov wasnt working was when
10:09:09
were overseas, and many people would just
10:09:14
would e-mail me, sometimes they would e-mail
10:09:18 State.gov address and Clinton e-mail.
10:09:22 wasnt wasnt unknown.
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10:09:30 wasnt aware.
10:09:32
And you know Mr. Lukens was
10:09:33
aware the Secretarys e-mail account associated
10:09:38
with the e-mail the Clintonemail.com system?
10:09:42
Okay. Lew would have been aware that the
10:09:47
Secretary was e-mailing her BlackBerry. was
10:09:48
something that she did regular basis and very
10:09:51
actively when werent the office.
10:09:54
And mentioned earlier, traveled
everywhere with us.
e-mailing, and that she had BlackBerry device. dont know that Lew had her e-mail was aware that she was
address.
10:09:57
10:09:59
10:10:02
10:10:07
10:10:08
Okay.
And when the Secretary was
10:10:08
e-mailing regular basis, that was for State
10:10:12
Department matters?
10:10:15
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Foundation.
Objection.
Same
objection.
Objection. wasnt reading her e-mails.
10:10:16
10:10:17
10:10:18
There
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were there couldnt tell you specifically
10:10:22
what was what she was e-mailing about.
10:10:25
But there was certainly lot personal
10:10:27
things she was e-mailing that device.
And she
10:10:30
did use that address stay touch with the
10:10:33
the department when she was traveling.
10:10:38
But was not where she did most her
10:10:40
work, since most her work was done person
10:10:42 paper the phone.
10:10:45
But fair say that the
10:10:46
Secretary e-mailed frequently for State-related
10:10:48
matters via her BlackBerry?
10:10:51
MS. WOLVERTON:
Okay.
Objection.
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge. have way knowing the answer
that question.
Okay.
10:10:52
10:10:54
10:10:56
10:10:58
You are aware that the Secretary
10:11:00
returned approximately 55,000 pages e-mails from
10:11:06
her Clintonemail.com account federal records?
10:11:10
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Form, foundation.
Same objections. did read that, yes.
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10:11:18
that the Secretary was using her BlackBerry only for
10:11:33
personal matters?
10:11:40
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Form.
10:11:42
Foundation.
10:11:44 dont know.
10:11:45
Did you ever tell Mr. Lukens that the
10:11:45
Secretary was using her BlackBerry only e-mail
10:11:52
for personal matters only?
10:11:55
MR. BRILLE: dont recall having conversation like
10:11:59
10:12:00 that something you would have told
anybody?
10:12:01
10:12:03
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
10:12:04
During your time the State Department.
10:12:04
MR. BRILLE:
10:11:57
that with Lew.
Same objection.
10:12:06
Same objection. dont know that would have dont
know that would have occurred me.
doesnt dont know dont know why that
10:12:12
would why that would occur me.
10:12:15
Okay.
So, no,
10:12:07
Well, because the Secretary used
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10:12:22
well.
10:12:25
Correct?
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
that.
Yeah.
Objection.
Form.
Vague.
Same objections.
Yes, she she absolutely did
She absolutely did that.
10:12:29
10:12:31
10:12:34
But was she was e-mailing with many
10:12:27
10:12:36
people the State Department and outside the State
10:12:39
Department.
10:12:42 its wasnt secret that she
was using this e-mail account communicating
10:12:45
with U.S. government officials, because they were
10:12:49
receiving e-mails from her.
10:12:52
Upon becoming the head the agency, did
10:12:54
the Secretary request authorization from anyone
10:12:59
the State Department use her Clintonemail.com for
10:13:03
State Department business?
10:13:07
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Lack foundation.
10:13:10 you know.
MS. COTCA:
10:13:09
10:13:11 sorry.
10:13:13
Not that not that aware of.
10:13:14
Okay.
10:13:16
And when you used your
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10:13:20
matters
10:13:23
Yes.
10:13:25 with the Secretary, she didnt object
10:13:25 your use that.
MR. BRILLE:
Correct?
10:13:31
Object the form.
10:13:33
Foundation, and vague.
10:13:34
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Same objections.
10:13:36
When you say work-related
matters, just asking for clarification.
mean State?
10:13:42
10:13:42
When say lets clarify that for the
record.
10:13:39
10:13:44
MR. BRILLE:
You
10:13:38
Yeah.
Thanks.
When say State work-related
10:13:45
10:13:46
matters, strictly speaking State-related
10:13:48
work.
10:13:54 you mind asking the question again?
10:13:54
Sure.
10:13:56 problem.
When you e-mailed with the Secretary via
10:13:57
your Clintonemail.com account during your time
10:13:59
the State Department, did the Secretary Clinton
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10:14:10
that account for State Department business?
10:14:12
No, not that remember.
No.
Who else was the Office the
10:14:15
10:14:17
Secretary during your tenure the State
10:14:36
Department?
10:14:38
the Secretary?
MR. BRILLE:
Who else worked within the Office
10:14:40
During the entire tenure?
10:14:41
During your entire tenure the State
10:14:43
Department.
10:14:45
10:14:46
Would you like specifically
through the individuals ...
10:14:48
Yes.
10:14:51
She had she had primary assistant
10:14:54
the office, who career foreign service officer
10:15:00
who sat outside her office.
10:15:03
Who was that?
10:15:05
Claire Coleman.
10:15:06
Claire Coleman?
10:15:08
Yeah.
10:15:09
Okay.
10:15:10
She had personal aide, Monica Hanley,
10:15:13
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who traveled with her and also was the office
10:15:15
provide support.
10:15:19
She had director scheduling, Lona
10:15:21
Valmoro, and Linda Dewan, who also assisted with
10:15:24
scheduling, primarily the building what Linda
10:15:31
was responsible for.
10:15:33
There was the executive assistant, was
10:15:36
Joe Macmanus for period, and then Alice Wells for
10:15:39 period.
10:15:42
There were two line officers.
They
they changed over time, there were several them
10:15:49
that were responsible for the paper that went and
10:15:51
came out the Secretarys office.
10:15:54
Dan Fogarty, who was also believe
10:15:43
10:15:57
was civil servant, who was responsible for the
10:16:02
correspondence, the official correspondence when
10:16:05
Secretary Clinton went overseas, thank-you
10:16:09
notes.
10:16:11
Rob Russo, who was who was responsible
for all her personal correspondence.
Jiloty
Lauren
10:16:13
10:16:17
10:16:21
Just very briefly, when you say personal
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10:16:24
Yes.
10:16:25 her personal correspondence related
10:16:25
State Department work?
10:16:28
Her personal correspondence related
10:16:30
non-State Department work. her friends from
10:16:31
Chicago sending her letter, Rob would process
10:16:34
those.
10:16:37
Okay.
10:16:38
Cheryl Mills, our chief staff, our
10:16:39
counselor and chief staff.
Cheryl had two staff
10:16:41
who worked outside her office.
Jake Sullivan who
10:16:45
was co-deputy chief staff for period, and
10:16:48
then went the director policy
10:16:51
planning.
10:16:53
And then our offices extended the
deputy secretaries either side.
Okay.
How about Monica Hanley; does she
work the Office the Secretary?
She did work the Office the
10:16:55
10:16:57
10:16:59
10:17:02
Secretary.
10:17:04
10:17:05
And what was her position?
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Okay.
And how about Lauren Jiloty?
Lauren Jiloty was her assistant the
10:17:10
10:17:12
10:17:16
office well.
And she would often travel, she and Monica switched
10:17:23
out traveling.
10:17:26
believe she left cant put date it, but
10:17:30
she was not there for the entire tenure.
10:17:33
She provided support Claire.
10:17:07
And then she left shortly after
And you know, the extent that you
10:17:19
10:17:35
know, did Secretary Clinton frequently communicate
10:17:43
with with the staff within the Secretarys
10:17:48
office, during her tenure the State Department,
10:17:53
for State Department business?
10:17:55
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
10:17:57
10:17:58
She communicated with all the individuals
Same objection.
10:18:00 that list regular basis every day the
10:18:02
office.
10:18:05
combination these people were either with her
10:18:08
she spoke.
10:18:11 regular basis when she was overseas.
And then when she was the road, some
She would call back the department
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Okay.
And the extent that you know,
10:18:15
did the Secretary communicate via her e-mail account
10:18:22
with leadership the State Department?
10:18:27
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
10:18:33
Same objection.
10:18:34
Yes, she did.
10:18:35
Okay.
10:18:35 would imagine included Pat
10:18:39 dont know that she and Pat specifically
10:18:42
Kennedy.
That would include Patrick Kennedy?
e-mailed.
But guess cant tell you
specifically Pat e-mailed with her.
imagine did.
10:18:44
But would
10:18:50
10:18:53
Okay.
How about Harold Koh?
10:18:53
Same. dont know Harold e-mailed
10:19:01
with her directly.
the senior team that met with her every day.
everybody was aware that she would e-mail.
short answer dont know Harold specifically
10:19:16
e-mailed with her, but believe did.
10:19:19
Okay.
But both them were part
10:19:04
And
10:19:08 the
10:19:13
And then also during the
10:19:21
Secretarys tenure the State Department, the
10:19:23
extent that you know
10:19:26
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Yeah.
10:19:28 did she also e-mail communicate with
10:19:28
government officials outside the State Department
10:19:32
for State Department business?
10:19:35
Yes, she did.
10:19:37
Okay.
10:19:37 the extent that you know,
was the PresidentClinton.com e-mail accounts also
10:19:45
hosted the same server that hosted the
10:19:51
@Clintonemail.com accounts?
10:19:56
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Objection.
10:19:58
Extends beyond
the scope discovery.
10:20:00
MR. BRILLE: did you want let her
The same objection.
answer its scope.
why its scope.
10:20:01
why its scope.
10:19:58
10:20:03
But want understand
10:20:05
And dont and dont see
10:20:07
MS. COTCA:
10:20:10
Only they were used for
State Department business the Secretary.
MR. BRILLE:
the objection.
Okay.
10:20:13 going maintain
Instruct her not answer.
think thats scope.
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MS. WOLVERTON:
Same objection.
Same
10:20:21
instruction.
10:20:22 MS. COTCA:
10:20:27
Ms. Abedin, did you have e-mail account
10:20:28 the PresidentClinton.com with the
10:20:29
PresidentClinton.com domain?
10:20:32
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
MS. COTCA:
Yeah.
10:20:38
Objection.
Beyond
10:20:42
10:20:43
Yeah. going instruct
her not answer.
MS. COTCA:
10:20:43
10:20:45
Okay.
10:20:46 MS. COTCA:
10:20:39
10:20:41
Are you instructing her not
MR. BRILLE:
10:20:36
answer?
Yeah, would
the scope discovery.
10:20:34
Same objection.
MS. WOLVERTON:
Same
10:20:47
Did you have e-mail account with the
10:20:53
domain PresidentClinton.com during your time
10:20:54
the the State Department?
10:20:58
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Extends beyond
the scope discovery.
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MR. BRILLE: going lodge the same
10:21:05
objection, but going let you answer the
10:21:06
question.
10:21:08
No, did not.
Okay.
Simple.
10:21:09
Thank you.
10:21:10
During your tenure the State
10:21:30
Department, who oversaw the operation the
10:21:32
Clintonemail.com system?
10:21:35
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation.
10:21:37
10:21:38
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Same.
Objection. can speak when was having
10:21:38
10:21:42
challenges with e-mail delays when the
10:21:44
Secretary was and would call Justin Bryan,
10:21:47
depending the time.
10:21:51
indicated before, unclear, little fuzzy
10:21:54
when was Justin versus Bryan, but was one
10:21:58
the two them.
10:22:00
And when you contacted Bryan
when you say Bryan, you mean Bryan Pagliano.
10:22:01
10:22:03
Correct?
Okay.
And think may have
10:22:04
Yes.
10:22:05
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Okay.
And when you contacted
10:22:05
Mr. Pagliano, how did you usually reach out him? usually reached out Justin, and
would say this you know, ask Bryan. was
usually Justin.
10:22:11
10:22:13
10:22:17 think probably just e-mailed with him,
10:22:07
10:22:20
probably, and said its not working, can you help
10:22:22
fix whatever specific matter was.
10:22:24
When you say you usually e-mailed with
him, youre referring Mr. Pagliano.
Right?
10:22:26
10:22:30
10:22:33
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
THE WITNESS:
MR. BRILLE: ahead.
10:22:37
Sorry.
Form.
10:22:33
10:22:35
10:22:36 first point was always Justin.
10:22:37
Okay.
10:22:39
And either Justin would correct it, and
10:22:39
there was period where remember him saying,
10:22:41
Check with Bryan.
10:22:44 dont remember having many interactions.
These the outreach would happen when there was
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And wasnt couldnt put number how many instances that was.
have called Bryan e-mailed Bryan, but ... either would
10:22:51
10:22:57
10:22:59
When you e-mailed Bryan Pagliano
10:23:02
Yes.
10:23:05 what e-mail account did you send
10:23:05
your e-mail?
10:23:07 dont remember Bryans e-mail address.
10:23:11
Did you send did you e-mail
10:23:13
Mr. Pagliano his State Department-issued e-mail
10:23:17
account?
10:23:22 not sure. not sure did.
Did you have e-mail address for
10:23:23
10:23:26
Mr. Pagliano over than his State Department e-mail
10:23:33
address?
10:23:36 believe the e-mail address would have
10:23:38
used would have been what had prior coming
10:23:41
the State Department. dont know would
10:23:45
have been Gmail. completely speculating
10:23:47
was
10:23:50
MR. BRILLE:
THE WITNESS:
Hold second.
Sorry.
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They dont want you
completely speculate.
10:23:52
10:23:55
THE WITNESS:
MR. BRILLE:
Okay. sorry.
10:23:55 the answer dont
know, the answer dont know.
want you completely speculate.
10:23:56
personal knowledge. dont
10:23:59
10:24:02
Okay.
10:24:03
Bryan.
They want your
10:23:57
10:24:01
MR. BRILLE:
But they dont dont dont know where e-mailed
10:24:04
10:24:05
And dont want you speculate.
10:24:06
But from understanding what you are saying
10:24:10
then Mr. Pagliano did have another and not
10:24:13
sure which one different e-mail account,
10:24:18
other than his State.gov account.
10:24:20
Okay. that fair? dont know where e-mailed Bryan.
could not tell you.
Justin.
was not that frequent.
happened very often. can tell you where e-mailed dont know where e-mailed Bryan.
This was not something that
Prior coming the State Department,
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10:24:49
anything?
10:24:55
MR. BRILLE: you want tell how this the
10:24:59 sorry
10:25:02
About your State Department business?
10:25:02
MS. WOLVERTON:
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repeat the question?
MS. COTCA:
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MS. WOLVERTON:
Vague, scope.
scope?
Objection. sorry.
Could you didnt hear it.
10:25:04
Sure.
10:25:07
Prior May 2009, did you ever e-mail
with Mr. Pagliano about State Department business?
No.
Okay.
10:25:08
10:25:09
10:25:12
Did you ever e-mail with
10:25:12
Mr. Pagliano prior May 2009 about e-mail
10:25:27
issues with the Clintonemail.com system?
10:25:28
Prior 2009?
10:25:36
Prior May 2009.
10:25:36 dont know.
10:25:44 you know John Bentel?
10:25:44 dont know who that is.
10:25:55
Did you ever interact with the IRM office
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for the Executive Secretariat, when you were the
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State Department, for e-mail-related issues?
10:26:06
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Lack
10:26:11
foundation.
10:26:12 sure did.
10:26:13
Okay.
10:26:14 you remember you know who
you would interact within that office regarding
10:26:25
e-mail-related issues?
10:26:28
Usually there was problem with
10:26:30
State.gov e-mail, just picked the phone and
10:26:31
called the help desk and said, having
10:26:35
challenge.
10:26:37
come over and address it. was the office somebody would were the road would ask our
10:26:39
10:26:41
colleagues who were traveling with for
10:26:45
assistance.
10:26:47 dont dont have dont
10:26:50
have specific name person that would have
10:26:51
worked with that office address e-mail issues.
10:26:53
Okay.
Did you ever raise issues with the
10:26:55
Secretarys e-mail account with someone that
10:26:57
office?
10:27:00
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And you recall who you would have
10:27:06
raised that issue with?
10:27:10 could couldnt tell you.
10:27:15
dont dont know that could name people who
10:27:17
worked that office.
10:27:19
Okay.
Did you ever discuss any the
10:27:21
e-mail issues that Secretary Clinton had for use
10:27:35
the State Department with Lewis Lukens?
10:27:42
MS. BERMAN:
MS. COTCA:
MR. BRILLE:
Sorry.
With who?
10:27:51
With Lewis Lukens.
10:27:52
Objection.
Form. dont remember having any conversations
with Lew about it.
But that just dont
remember conversations specifically with Lew.
10:27:53
10:27:55
10:27:56
10:28:01
How about with Mr. Mull?
10:28:03 remember exchange with with
10:28:14
Steve during specific period, during hurricane,
10:28:18
about challenges she was having, yes.
10:28:23
Okay.
Just that she was having communications
And what was that exchange?
issues the midst hurricane.
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Okay.
And did you discuss with him all
10:28:31 how resolve the e-mail issues that the
10:28:36
Secretary was having?
10:28:39
Yes. had exchange the time about
how try and resolve the issues.
Okay.
10:28:42
And what was the discussion the
exchange about how resolve the issue?
10:28:44
10:28:47
Well, was remember was away
and she was away.
10:28:41
And was the midst
10:28:50
10:28:53
hurricane
10:28:59
Hurricane Sandy, maybe?
10:28:59 think was Hurricane Irene.
get the hurricanes confused.
Hurricane Irene.
had taken little break.
several hours ahead. always
But think was
was also vacation with her family.
And was was pregnant.
10:29:03
10:29:06 was overseas, was
10:29:09
And remember and she
10:29:13
And and she was having both phone and
10:29:01
And while was away there were
10:29:16
10:29:22
BlackBerry issues.
other people the department that were trying
10:29:31
help address how how fix the communications
10:29:33
issues.
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Okay.
And when you say communications
10:29:38
issues, that included e-mail issues for the
10:29:40
Secretary.
Correct?
10:29:44 did, yes.
10:29:45
Okay.
10:29:46
And who else the State
Department was also assisting with trying resolve
10:29:48
the e-mail issues that the Secretary was having
10:29:51
that time?
10:29:54
From memory was our chief staff
10:29:54
and was Steve, and her assistant who was with
10:29:56
her.
10:30:01
Whose assistant?
10:30:02
The Secretarys assistant.
10:30:03
And which assistant was that?
10:30:06
Monica Hanley.
10:30:08 you recall how was ultimately
10:30:09
resolved?
10:30:15 think the hurricane ended and the the
10:30:16
phone lines the phone the house was what was
10:30:20
the challenges, that she couldnt get any calls
10:30:23
placed the house, the once the the
10:30:25
weather challenges had subsided, you the phone
10:30:31
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network was restored, and think e-mail
10:30:36
connectivity was restored, well.
10:30:39
Okay. you know who knew the State
10:30:42
Department that Mr. Pagliano was providing technical
10:30:58
support for the Clintonemail.com system?
10:31:01 dont know.
10:31:03 you know Mr. Patrick
10:31:03
Kennedy was aware that Mr. Pagliano was providing
10:31:10
technical support for the Clintonemail.com system
10:31:13
during his tenure the State Department?
10:31:15
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Foundation.
10:31:17 dont know.
10:31:19
Okay.
10:31:19
Who the State Department, far you know, knew that the server for the
10:31:39
Clintonemail.com system was located Secretary
10:31:42
Clintons residence New York?
10:31:46
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Foundation. dont know.
MS. COTCA:
about hour.
10:31:48
10:31:50
All right.
Weve been going
Well take five-minute break.
MR. BRILLE:
Okay.
VIDEO SPECIALIST:
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VIDEO SPECIALIST:
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Here begins Tape
10:51:43
are back the record 10:51.
10:51:55 MS. COTCA:
10:51:57
Ms. Abedin, just couple followup
10:51:58
questions relation Secretary Clintons e-mail
10:52:01
account.
10:52:06
Who gave the BlackBerry and e-mail address
Okay. Secretary Clinton, you know? dont dont know.
10:52:10 suspect was Justin, who gave me, well.
10:52:06 you know who actually set the
server?
10:52:15
10:52:18
10:52:22
10:52:29
No, dont.
10:52:29
And you also said, believe your
10:52:30
testimony earlier this morning was that you came
10:52:37
understand that Secretary Clinton was continuing her
10:52:39
practice use personal account for the reason
10:52:43
for having the Clintonemail.com account.
10:52:46 know rephrasing it, but that
fair summary?
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MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Form. think the the its fair
10:52:54
10:52:56
she had one BlackBerry device with one e-mail
10:53:00
account.
10:53:03
with one e-mail account that she used her primary
10:53:06
e-mail.
10:53:09
provided personally.
She had always had one BlackBerry device
And was device and account that she
Okay.
10:53:12
And how that you came
10:53:13
learn that she preferred continue that practice
10:53:17 the State Department?
10:53:20
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge.
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
10:53:22
10:53:23
Same objection.
10:53:25 was the course normal business,
10:53:27
she she carried that one device and continued
10:53:31
working that one device were State,
10:53:34
she had previous the previous years.
10:53:36
Okay.
But you didnt actually have
10:53:40
conversations with the Secretary about her wanting
10:53:41 continue that practice the State Department?
10:53:43 can only tell you what observed, which her continuing use one device and one e-mail
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account.
10:53:52
Fair.
Thank you.
10:53:52
You also testified that you were
10:53:56
prohibited have other e-mail accounts associated
10:53:59
with your State Department-issued BlackBerry.
10:54:02 you recall that testimony?
10:54:07
10:54:08
Yes.
Okay.
That was understanding.
How did you come have that
understanding?
10:54:10
10:54:12 was just general knowledge amongst
10:54:13
those who were coming from the outside,
10:54:15
joining the State Department.
10:54:19
appointees who came in, many people came with
10:54:22
separate devices.
10:54:26
not able put the Gmail accounts, you will,
10:54:29
whatever additional e-mail accounts, onto our State
10:54:32
Department BlackBerrys.
10:54:35
Okay.
The the political
And understood that were
Did anybody from the State
10:54:36
Department inform you that you couldnt have
10:54:38
separate e-mail account put your State
10:54:40
Department-issued BlackBerry?
10:54:43 dont remember specific conversation
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with State Department official. know what
10:54:47
our all our understanding was that could
10:54:51
not, the State Department device that were
10:54:53
carrying, were not allowed put any other
10:54:56
accounts there. that was clear.
10:54:58
And you know, you know why you were
10:55:01
not allowed have other e-mail accounts associated
10:55:03
with your State Department-issued BlackBerry?
10:55:07
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Extends beyond
the scope the authorized discovery.
10:55:10
10:55:12
10:55:14
MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
10:55:15
You can answer, you know.
10:55:16 dont know.
10:55:17
Its only only know
what practiced, which was the two different
10:55:20
BlackBerrys.
10:55:22
Okay.
During your time the State
10:55:22
Department, did you consult did you the
10:55:48
Secretary consult with your use the Clinton
10:55:52
e-mail account for State Department work with
10:55:55
anybody the legal advisors office?
10:56:00
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection multiple
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grounds.
knowledge, calls for attorney-client communications
10:56:07
that are privileged.
10:56:11
discovery.
MR. BRILLE:
Lack foundation, lack personal
And beyond the scope
10:56:13
Ill Ill echo those
objections and instruct the witness not answer.
10:56:05
Did you consult with anyone from Clarence
Finneys office about the use the
Clintonemail.com for State-related matters?
10:56:14
10:56:16
10:56:19
10:56:36
And
10:56:40
when said you, either for your behalf
10:56:46 behalf the Secretary.
10:56:49
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
You can answer.
10:56:51
10:56:53 dont recall any conversations.
10:56:54
All right.
10:56:56
Did you the Secretary
anyone behalf the Secretary consult with
10:56:59
anybody Patrick Kennedys office about your use
10:57:01 the Clintonemail.com accounts for State
10:57:05
Department business?
10:57:08
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge.
Not that remember.
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Okay.
How about with anyone the IRM
10:57:15
office the Executive Secretariat; did you the
10:57:20
Secretary anyone behalf the Secretary
10:57:26
consult with them about your use the
10:57:28
Clintonemail.com accounts for State Department
10:57:31
business?
10:57:34
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge, compound.
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Objection.
Form.
Lack
foundation.
10:57:35
10:57:36
10:57:38
10:57:42 ahead.
10:57:42
Not that remember.
10:57:43
Did you consult with anybody the State
10:57:47
Department did the Secretary Clinton consult
10:57:54
with anybody the State Department anyone
10:57:57
her behalf about the use the Clintonemail.com
10:58:00
accounts for State Department business?
10:58:03
MS. WOLVERTON:
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge, compound.
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Same objections. dont remember any conversations like
that.
10:58:08
10:58:09
10:58:11
10:58:13
10:58:14
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Okay.
Since the Department Justice
attorney objected compound, let break down.
Did you consult with anybody the State
10:58:14
10:58:18
10:58:21
Department about your use the Clintonemail.com
10:58:24
account for State Department business?
10:58:28 used State Department e-mail, and
10:58:33
thats that was practice.
Clinton e-mail account, think said earlier,
10:58:40
wasnt something didnt, you know kept
10:58:43
hidden.
10:58:46
used particularly when State.gov was down.
used it.
told that couldnt use it.
use State.gov
10:58:36 was shared with people, people State assumed was okay use it.
10:58:50 wasnt
10:58:55
But practice was
10:58:57
10:59:00
Okay.
10:59:02 account for State Department
10:59:03
business.
And thats what did.
Okay.
10:59:05
But the question whether you
10:59:06
consulted with anybody the State Department about
10:59:07
your use the Clintonemail.com system for State
10:59:11
Department business.
10:59:15
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Vague.
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10:59:24
no.
10:59:27
10:59:20 you know Secretary Clinton anyone
10:59:27 her behalf consulted spoke with anybody the
10:59:31
State Department about her use her
10:59:35
Clintonemail.com account for State Department
10:59:39
business?
10:59:42 not remember
10:59:18
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Vague.
10:59:43 dont know.
10:59:44 you recall memo that Secretary
10:59:44
Clinton had issued 2011 the State Department
10:59:58
agency-wide that employees should only use their
11:00:05
State Department e-mail accounts for State
11:00:10
Department business?
11:00:13
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Characterizing
facts not evidence.
11:00:15
11:00:17
MR. BRILLE: ahead.
11:00:19 dont remember memo specifically
11:00:21
Objection.
Foundation.
memo like that, no.
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11:00:25
directive that the Secretary gave employees
11:00:26
the State Department not use their personal
11:00:29
e-mail accounts for State Department business?
11:00:31 dont remember memo like that, no.
11:00:34
No, didnt ask about memo.
11:00:35 asked
any instructions directive that the Secretary
11:00:39
gave State Department employees not use their
11:00:44
personal e-mail accounts for State Department
11:00:48
business.
11:00:49
No, dont.
11:00:50
Did you ever discuss with the Secretary
11:00:51
the issue State Department employees using their
11:01:03
personal e-mail accounts for State Department
11:01:09
business?
11:01:12 dont remember.
11:01:14
Did you ever discuss that issue with
11:01:15
Cheryl Mills?
11:01:20 dont recall.
11:01:24 you know whether Secretary Clinton and
11:01:24
Cheryl Mills ever discussed that issue?
No, dont.
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11:02:06
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(Abedin Deposition Exhibit marked for
Would you mark this Exhibit
identification and attached the transcript.)
11:02:38
And, Ms. Abedin, please take time look
11:02:38
through whats been marked Exhibit and let
11:02:40
know once youve finished reviewing it.
11:02:42
11:02:08
Thank you.
Okay.
11:02:44
11:07:38
Okay.
Thank you.
Youve had chance
review it?
Yes.
Okay.
today? believe did.
11:07:48
Okay.
11:07:50
When was reviewing documents with
attorneys.
deposition.
Correct.
11:08:00
Okay.
11:08:00
11:07:38
11:07:40
11:07:40
Have you seen this document before
11:07:40
11:07:45
When did you see it?
11:07:53
11:07:55
Okay. preparation for todays
Correct? will just and Ill just
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summarize what the document appears be.
But
and tell thats you agree that seems
11:08:12 exchange e-mails relating meeting
11:08:15
with you around December 17, 2010.
11:08:20
11:08:08 that accurate?
11:08:24
MR. BRILLE:
11:08:24
Objection form.
Foundation.
11:08:26
MS. WOLVERTON:
Okay.
11:08:27
Yes.
Same objection.
11:08:29
Thank you.
11:08:29
Could you look Page like
And then
11:08:31
start with Page and the exhibit. you see the last e-mail Ill point you the
11:08:40
last e-mail Page dated December 17, 2010,
11:08:43
from, appears Cindy Almodovar,
11:08:51
S/ES-IRM-tech.
11:09:01
11:08:33 you see that?
11:09:01
11:09:01
Yes.
Okay. you recall having meeting with
11:09:01
Cindy Almodovar December 17, 2010, relate
11:09:12 over mail issues?
11:09:14 dont remember meeting with Cindy
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that that specific date.
from the exchange that did meet.
Okay.
But now can see
11:09:19
11:09:24
And lets back little bit.
11:09:26
Who Cindy Almodovar?
11:09:29
She was the the tech, the tech
11:09:32
department.
11:09:35
11:09:35
department?
11:09:38
11:09:39
And what you mean the tech had challenges with our e-mail,
Cindy was one the people who contacted. the State Department.
Correct?
11:09:42
Okay. State, yes.
Thank you.
11:09:47
And thats the IRM office for the
11:09:49
Executive Secretariat with the designation S/ES-IRM.
11:09:53
Yes.
11:09:44
11:09:46 that right?
11:09:58
Thats correct.
11:09:59
Okay.
11:09:59
Thank you.
Can you tell what the substance the
11:10:03
meeting was?
11:10:06 appears from this document that had
11:10:09
e-mails going there were e-mails being sent from
11:10:13
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the Clintonemail.com e-mail addresses State that
11:10:16
were not being received.
11:10:21
And that was Secretary Clinton
was having that issue with her e-mail?
Okay. appears though was having that
issue, well.
Okay.
11:10:23
11:10:27
11:10:30
11:10:32 both you and the Secretary.
11:10:33
Correct?
11:10:36
11:10:36
Yes.
Okay. you know Ms. Almodovars
11:10:36
position with S/ES-IRM within the State Department
11:10:41 that time?
11:10:46 from this e-mail says bless
11:10:46
you she the supervisory systems administrator,
11:10:50
IRM POEMS help desk.
11:10:53
Okay.
Did you often interact with
Ms. Almodovar?
11:10:55
11:10:57 dont know how often interacted with
11:11:00
her, but knew the name familiar, and
11:11:02
Ive sure mean, clearly did
11:11:04
communicate with her.
11:11:07
yes.
But the name familiar,
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Okay.
And can you just sort
11:11:09
describe you told her about the issues, and what
11:11:13
else did you talk about?
11:11:16 dont remember the meeting,
11:11:18
couldnt tell you what the specifics the meeting. think theyre reflected this
11:11:22
this this document.
that were having communication challenges between
11:11:29
the two e-mail accounts.
11:11:31
Okay.
But think suggests
11:11:19
And this communication
11:11:25
11:11:32
challenges between the two e-mail accounts for you
11:11:34
and Secretary Clinton the Clintonemail.com
11:11:37
State Department e-mail accounts.
Correct?
11:11:40
Foundation.
11:11:43
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Yes.
Objection.
Same objection.
11:11:47 mean, appears though was
11:11:51
both.
House.gov e-mail account listed here, well.
that e-mail also did not get through the
11:12:00
State.gov e-mail system.
11:12:03 was not just Clinton e-mail.
There
And was was both Clinton e-mail and
State.gov having the communications challenges.
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11:12:30
difficult read, but think says, have
11:12:34
contact for the @Clinton e-mail site.
11:12:38
Bryan Pagliano, and actually now works for State.
11:12:43
But apparently set all this up.
11:12:48
His name you see that?
11:12:50
11:12:51 do.
Okay.
Did you inform Ms. Almodovar
11:12:52
about that Mr. Pagliano was the contact, and that
11:12:56 set the whole system up?
11:12:58
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Foundation.
Same objection. dont know that thats information
would have given her.
Okay. you recall the e-mail the
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Asked and
answered.
11:13:02
11:13:03
11:13:05
11:13:09
11:13:12
11:13:12 didnt remember this meeting all
until was shown this document.
11:13:01
11:13:05
meeting that you had with Ms. Almodovar?
Objection.
Okay.
And does the document refresh your
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11:13:17 does not.
11:13:19
Okay.
11:13:22 you know who else from the
S/ES-IRM office was the meeting that you had with
11:13:38
Cindy Almodovar?
11:13:47 dont know.
None these none
11:13:48
the other names that are this document are names
11:13:51
that recognize.
11:13:54
Okay. know Cindy, yes.
11:13:58
Okay.
11:14:02
How about John Bentel; was part
MR. BRILLE:
11:14:06
Objection.
11:14:10
11:14:12
MR. BRILLE:
11:13:55 the meeting you had with Ms. Almodovar?
Except for Ms. Almodovar? dont know.
Form.
11:14:12 dont dont
11:14:13
dont remember meeting with Cindy about this,
11:14:16
had said earlier.
11:14:20
occasions where there were technical issues.
11:14:22
appears this was one those one those
11:14:25
moments where had technical issues and met with
11:14:28
somebody about it.
11:14:30
There were often there were
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Were there other occasions when you
11:14:31
met with somebody about technical issues with the
11:14:35
Clintonemail.com system from the IRM office for the
11:14:37
Executive Secretariat?
11:14:41 dont remember.
There were occasions
11:14:43
where had technical challenges, and reached out
11:14:44 whoever thought could help.
11:14:46
Okay.
Other other than Cindy
11:14:48
Almodovar, you recall any other individuals
11:14:53
the IRM office for the Executive Secretariat who you
11:14:57
exchanged discussed e-mail issues for the
11:15:00
Clintonemail.com system?
11:15:05 dont remember, no.
11:15:07
Okay.
11:15:08
Was she your contact person that
office?
11:15:14 would have called the help
11:15:14
desk, and they would have had somebody respond.
11:15:16
They were always very responsive.
11:15:20
Cindy perhaps was the person they had
11:15:24
identified the person who could help and who
11:15:27
met with for this particular issue.
11:15:30
Okay.
Did you meet with Cindy Almodovar
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11:15:34 dont remember.
11:15:36
Okay.
11:15:36 know the name.
Okay. dont remember. you recall how the issue was
was resolved?
11:15:37
11:15:39
11:15:48 think cant explain lot
11:15:57 what exchanges they sent actually dont
11:16:04
understand, reading through through that, through
11:16:06
these e-mail exchanges they had amongst themselves
11:16:10
that not on.
11:16:13
They clearly took some actions that
11:16:15
made made our e-mails actually through.
11:16:18
Okay.
Did the issue resolve with the
11:16:23
Clinton e-mails actually being able through
11:16:27
the State Department e-mail accounts?
11:16:31
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Foundation.
11:16:34
Well, and also house account.
11:16:35
Okay.
11:16:38 just concerned about the issues
with respect communications from the Secretary
11:16:41
and you your Clintonemail.com accounts State
11:16:46
Department addresses, accounts.
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Did that issue ultimately get resolved?
11:16:53 dont know that was permanently
11:16:57
resolved.
one occasion when were having challenges with
11:17:02
State e-mails going through external e-mails,
11:17:04
whether was Clinton e-mail mail dot
11:17:09
House.gov and vice versa.
11:17:12 this was not the only occasion where
11:16:59
11:17:15
had challenges, where somebody said, sent
11:17:17
e-mail and didnt through not.
11:17:19
This there were there was more than
Okay.
But far you recall, shortly
after the December 17, 2010, meeting
11:17:21
11:17:27
Yeah.
11:17:31 that you had with Ms. Almodovar, was
11:17:31
that ultimately resolved?
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
11:17:35
Foundation. likely was until had the next issue,
yeah.
11:17:39
11:17:42
11:17:45
Okay.
11:17:45
Thats fair say.
11:17:46
Okay.
11:17:49
And then when was resolved, were
you all informed how the issue was
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MR. BRILLE:
Same objection.
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
11:17:55
Lack
11:17:56
foundation.
11:17:57
11:17:58 dont remember, but they were always
very responsive.
Okay.
11:18:00
And when you say they were very
responsive, who you who the they?
11:18:01
11:18:03
The help desk State.
11:18:07
And the help desk State, that the
11:18:08
desk within the IRM office for the Executive
11:18:10
Secretariat?
11:18:15 dont know where they sit. was phone number for me.
the phone and you called help desk and they usually
11:18:21
sent somebody us.
11:18:25
our office.
walked over there.
They usually came and met not sure actually ever
But, yes.
Objection.
11:18:19
11:18:27
11:18:29
Was POEMS?
MR. BRILLE: was usually picked
11:18:15
11:18:30
Form.
11:18:38
Was who called POEMS?
11:18:41
Right.
11:18:43
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could could could have could have
11:18:46
been POEMS. was theres five-digit number.
11:18:49
And when had technical issues you called that
11:18:51
number.
11:18:54 experienced the help desk. had
11:18:54
problems, call that number, they send somebody
11:18:56
office, how can help.
11:18:58
extremely efficient and very responsive.
Okay.
And they were always
11:19:00
And connection that meeting
11:19:03
and the issues that you and the Secretary were
11:19:07
having with the Clinton e-mail
11:19:10
Yeah.
11:19:11 dot com accounts
11:19:12
Yeah.
11:19:14 you recall any conversations any
11:19:14
exchanges with Bryan Pagliano about that?
11:19:17 think mentioned earlier, there
11:19:21
were there were occasions where communicated
11:19:23
with Bryan when was having technical issues.
11:19:25
dont remember specific time periods.
there were incidents incidents incidences.
But there
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Instances.
Instances.
Thank you.
11:19:37
Instances where
did have communicate with Bryan.
Justin, yes.
Okay.
Bryan
11:19:39
11:19:41
11:19:44 you know how Ms. Almodovar
11:19:44 sorry, butchering her last name
11:19:50
Almodovar, how she came know that Bryan Pagliano
11:19:55
set the system?
11:19:59
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Objection.
Lack foundation,
11:20:02
11:20:02
11:20:03
assumes facts not evidence.
11:20:04
MR. BRILLE:
11:20:05
Same objection. dont know.
11:20:07
Okay.
11:20:08 Page you can take look the document.
And you can just look the second
11:20:17
11:20:24
full e-mail from, looks like Trey Jammes
11:20:26
Thomas Lawrence and some other individuals
11:20:32
December 21st, 2010, 2:39 p.m.
11:20:36 you see that e-mail?
11:20:40 do.
11:20:41
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Okay. dont.
11:20:47
Does that name sound familiar you
11:20:48 you know who Trey Jammes is?
all?
11:20:42
11:20:52 does not.
11:20:52
Okay.
11:20:53
No.
11:20:57
And just going through all the
11:20:58
How about Thomas Lawrence?
individuals
11:21:01
Sure.
11:21:02 the e-mail.
11:21:02
Kenneth LaVolpe. you know who Kenneth
11:21:04
LaVolpe was?
11:21:09
No.
11:21:11 is.
11:21:11
How about Jay Gazlay?
11:21:14
No.
11:21:16
What about Ebenezer Mensah?
11:21:16
No.
11:21:18
And Nancy Wilson.
Wilson is?
11:21:23
11:21:23 you know who Nancy
No.
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exchange you did not communicate with them
11:21:38
relation the e-mail issues that you and the
11:21:41
Secretary were experiencing.
11:21:46
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague. appears though Cindy was point contact, from looking the exchange.
11:21:50
11:21:53
11:21:55
Okay.
11:21:57
And she likely the person was
11:21:58
was communicating with.
But, again, when you called the help desk,
11:22:03
11:22:04
there was there were different people who
11:22:07
answered the phone, depending the day that
11:22:09
was.
11:22:12
Okay.
Thank you.
MS. COTCA:
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identification and attached the transcript.)
Can mark that Exhibit
And just finish the subject matter
11:22:12
11:22:47
11:22:49
11:22:53
11:22:53
11:22:54
Okay.
11:22:54 going have you look another
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Okay.
11:22:56
Please take your time looking through the
11:23:21
document.
11:23:23
Thank you.
11:23:23
Oh, ready?
11:24:08 have read it, yes.
11:24:09
Thank you.
11:24:10
Yes.
11:24:11
Have you seen Exhibit looks like its
11:24:12 string e-mails regarding the Secretarys e-mail
11:24:17
account and your e-mail account around January
11:24:22
9th and 10th 2011.
11:24:26
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Object form.
Foundation.
Same objection.
The
document speaks for itself.
Okay.
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Okay.
Same objection.
Same objection.
Yes.
Same objection.
Sorry.
11:24:33
11:24:35 you agree with that summary?
11:24:30
11:24:37
11:24:38
11:24:39
11:24:40
11:24:42
Thank you.
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prior today?
11:24:47
Yes.
Okay.
When was reviewing documents with
attorneys.
11:24:45
11:24:48
And when did you see the e-mails?
11:24:48
11:24:53
11:24:55
Okay.
And that was preparation for
todays deposition.
Correct?
11:24:55
11:24:57
Correct.
11:24:58
Okay.
11:24:58
Thank you. you recall there being issue with
11:25:10
the server for the Clintonemail.com system being
11:25:12
attacked, Justin Cooper said the second page
11:25:18 the exhibit?
11:25:22
MS. WOLVERTON:
MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
Same objection.
11:25:25 didnt remember until saw the
11:25:26
these e-mails reminding me.
11:25:24
Okay.
And you did the documents and
11:25:30
11:25:32
the e-mails refresh your recollection about the
11:25:34
issue with the server that time?
11:25:36
Yes.
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Okay.
And can you tell what you recall
about the issue with the server?
11:25:39
11:25:41
Just really whats exchanged this
11:25:43
Justin saying, think from for
11:25:45
e-mail.
experience, e-mail wasnt working. Justin.
technical this case suggested what
11:25:54
somebody was trying get hack us,
11:25:59
quoting Justin.
11:26:02 reached out said was dealing with some
And for purposes was matter
11:25:50
11:25:52 e-mails not coming through for while, and
11:26:06
then from memory restored pretty quickly.
11:26:10
Okay.
When you say your e-mails werent
11:26:13
coming through, that your e-mails your
11:26:15
Clintonemail.com account?
11:26:19
Yes.
11:26:20
Thank you.
11:26:21
Who Doug Band?
11:26:27
Doug Band used work for President
11:26:28
Clinton.
11:26:30
Okay.
And when did when did his
employment for President Clinton terminate?
Sometime the last few years.
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Okay.
And what did for President
Clinton?
11:26:42
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MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
11:26:44
Employment-wise?
11:26:44
THE WITNESS:
11:26:46
MS. WOLVERTON:
scope the authorized discovery.
11:26:42
MR. BRILLE: sorry.
Objection.
Beyond the
11:26:46
11:26:47
Same objection.
11:26:48 was President Clintons senior advisor,
11:26:49
chief staff, the period after left the
11:26:55
White House.
11:26:58
Okay. you know whether was involved
11:26:58 any way with dealing issues with the Clinton
11:27:06
server?
11:27:11
Not that aware of.
11:27:12 you know why ccd the e-mail
11:27:13 the second page this document not
11:27:19
ccd, sorry.
11:27:22
the e-mail you January 2011?
Why Justin Cooper included him
11:27:27
Aside from the fact that was probably
informing Doug well about the issue.
Doug was
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somebody who worked with Justin President
11:27:44
Clintons office.
11:27:47
Okay.
11:27:48 was making aware what
11:27:49
was happening. far you know, did you
well, strike that.
ever had issues with the Clintonemail.com account?
11:27:59
11:28:07 was somebody was very close colleague
11:28:09 mine.
11:28:12
communicated all the time. dont remember Doug
11:28:13
being person would technical issues.
11:28:16 dont remember contacting Doug.
11:27:56
11:27:53
11:27:56
Did you ever contact Doug Band when you
Okay.
11:27:53
And talked all the time and
Okay. you know the Secretary ever
11:28:19
contacted Doug Band when she encountered issues with
11:28:21
her Clintonemail.com?
11:28:25
Not that aware of.
11:28:28
Okay.
And you know whether Doug Band
11:28:32
provided any technical support services for the
11:28:34
Clintonemail.com accounts during your tenure the
11:28:41
State Department?
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No, dont believe so.
11:28:46
You dont believe provided the
11:28:47
Not from perspective.
11:28:53
Not from
understanding.
would would would certainly would
11:28:58
not ask him to.
11:29:00
Okay.
Its not something that Doug
Thank you.
Fair.
11:28:55
11:29:01
And then the last page the exhibit?
11:29:04
Yes.
11:29:05
Thats e-mail from you, looks like
11:29:06 Jacob Sullivan and Cheryl Mills January 10,
11:29:11
2011.
11:29:15 you see that?
11:29:17
Yes, do.
11:29:18
Okay. you recall that e-mail?
11:29:18 again, memory jogged, has been
11:29:23
jogged looking these documents.
But
11:29:25
Okay.
11:29:28
Yes, do.
11:29:29
Okay.
11:29:30
And after youve reviewed these
documents, what you recall about the e-mail
11:29:32
exchange between you and Jacob Sullivan and Cheryl
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Mills January 10, 2011?
11:29:38
Since the e-mail e-mail
11:29:42
colleagues State was probably not knowing how
11:29:47
Justin was resolving this issue, just informing them
11:29:50
that she she wasnt going have access
11:29:54
e-mail. just sent them this message she
11:29:58
could explain the phone, person, say
11:30:01
here.
11:30:04
And thats followup question.
11:30:04
Yeah.
11:30:06
Where you write, Dont e-mail HRC
11:30:06
anything sensitive, HRC refers Secretary
11:30:09
Clinton. that right?
11:30:12
11:30:13
Yes.
Okay.
And then you write, can explain
more person.
11:30:14
11:30:17
Yes.
11:30:17
What did you explain Ms. Mills and
11:30:18
Mr. Sullivan?
11:30:20
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Assumes facts
not evidence.
MR. BRILLE:
11:30:21
11:30:23
Objection.
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You can answer, the extent you recall.
11:30:27 dont remember exactly the words
11:30:29
that used.
would have informed them person what Justin had
11:30:34
told e-mail.
11:30:36
That the server was hacked?
11:30:38
11:30:43
Objection.
Foundation.
Form.
11:30:45
11:30:31
MR. BRILLE:
But looking this e-mail chain, dont believe thats what his e-mail
said.
11:30:46
11:30:47
Well, sorry, but thought you
11:30:48
testified that you reviewed the document
11:30:50
Yes.
11:30:53 and the documents have refreshed your
11:30:53
recollection.
Yes.
Okay.
No.
11:30:54
Yes.
Yes.
11:30:54
11:30:56 says someone was
MR. BRILLE: question pending right now.
Wait.
Wait.
11:30:56
Wait.
There you ahead and ask your question and
let object.
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Give second
MS. COTCA:
11:31:04 its objectionable.
But,
sure.
11:31:08
11:31:10
After you reviewed the documents and your
11:31:11
memory has been refreshed with respect this
11:31:15
e-mail exchange January and January 10, 2011
11:31:19
Yes.
11:31:24 what you recall about the
11:31:24
explanation that you provided Ms. Mills and
11:31:28
Mr. Sullivan?
11:31:31
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Assumes facts
not evidence.
11:31:33
11:31:34
MR. BRILLE: ahead.
11:31:36 wouldnt able recall the
11:31:38
Same objection.
conversation exactly.
what would have said is, Justin e-mailed
11:31:43
tell that someone was trying hack the system,
11:31:47
and would have told them that.
11:31:53
them that person.
Okay.
But having seen this chain,
11:31:35 would have told
And you recall when the issue
was resolved with the server?
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MR. BRILLE:
Objection.
Vague.
11:32:06 dont.
11:32:08
Okay.
11:32:09 you recall when you were able
use your Clintonemail.com after this e-mail
11:32:12
exchange?
11:32:16 couldnt give you specific amount
11:32:16
But Clinton e-mail was restored,
11:32:18 time.
and was able back it.
matter just being able use the address.
You can put that aside.
11:32:22
11:32:25
Thank you.
11:32:29 would like switch gears little bit.
Okay.
This was
11:32:51
Okay.
11:32:53
When you started the State Department,
11:32:53
were you provided any training guidance with
11:32:55
respect the Freedom Information Act?
11:32:57
will shorten that referring FOIA.
And dont remember specific FOIA
11:33:08
briefing training.
transition trainings that took place when first
11:33:13
arrived when first arrived the State
11:33:16
Department.
11:33:19
Okay.
But there were many
11:33:02 you recall being provided any
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manuals that dealt with FOIA when you started your
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tenure the State Department?
11:33:30 may have been provided. dont
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remember the manuals, but may have may have
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been part the transition.
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have read and reviewed -MR. BRILLE:
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Objection.
11:33:42 upon having been provided the manual?
11:33:43
11:33:47
Objection.
Form.
Foundation.
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MS. WOLVERTON:
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MR. BRILLE: that manual something that you would
Same objections. dont remember read the manual.
11:33:50
11:33:51
But generally practice was, was
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receiving materials and there was lot
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materials received when arrived the State
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Department was was review the documents
11:34:00
that was provided us.
11:34:04
Okay.
And the manual the manuals that
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were provided you when you started the State
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Department, that something are those manuals
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also would have been provided everybody within
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the Secretarys office?
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection.
Lack
foundation, lack personal knowledge.
MR. BRILLE:
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11:34:21
Same objection.
11:34:22 dont know what other people dont
11:34:17
11:34:24
know what other colleagues mine may may have
11:34:26
received.
11:34:29
Okay. you know whether Secretary
11:34:30
Clinton received any guidance anybody
11:34:40
consulted with her about FOIA upon her entering her
11:34:42
tenure the State Department?
11:34:46
MR. BRILLE:
MS. WOLVERTON:
Objection. dont know.
Form.
Same objection. wasnt all briefings
with her.
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11:34:48
11:34:51
11:34:53
Okay.
Did you receive any briefing, that
11:34:54
you recall, upon entering your tenure the State
11:34:59
Department, about FOIA?
11:35:03 mentioned earlier, remember
11:35:06
receiving many briefings during the transition
11:35:08
period when arrived State.
11:35:10 briefing